Please remove your blog about me from your web page. I certainly admit to being annoyed with you originally, and terse in the comments you posted – but your tone seems anything but charitable or Christian. You mock those you quote with a sarcasm and demeaning tone that is certainly not consistent with any genuine Christian grace. Further, you have set yourself up as Judge of persons you don’t know, and over whom you have no authority or involvement.
I will not be communicating with you again about this matter. Remove my name, email address and any content referring to me from your blogs or communications. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this.
James Grumbine
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sorry James it's still a free country, they haven't reinstituted the unfairness doctrine yet. And yes, that Christian Grace, people like for example -- Martin Luther he was so devoid of it... especially when he talked about Erasmus's manure in golden chalices. SO I replied:
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Jim -- are you setting yourself up as judge over me?
Go figure!
get your own blog. Feel free to post this email there.
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No, I am not attempting to do what you have already done in terms of judging. I am asking simply that you leave me out of your discussions and dialogs. You don't know me or anything about me. If you did, I genuinely think you would be more responsive. I don not know what has brought you to the point of engaging in this type of blogging, but it serves no positive purpose in my view. Regardless, I am again asking you to remove my name and all reference to me. I will give consideration to further legal recourses otherwise.
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Ok so now we are not only going to judge another Christian, demand authority over their free speech, and, we are going to take them to court for simply telling the truth? How many Scriptural violations can you rack up in one short email exchange?
If you knew me, James Grumbine, you wouldn't be so judgemental! You'd be more responsive! I'm really a wonderful person, you know! You'd know that, if you knew me! Sound vain? yeah I guess it does. hm...
sorry James, I have had that 'legal options' card played before. Seems Richard Abanes played it with Ingrid Schlueter, Ken Silva, Chris Rosebrough, etc.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Paula
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If anyone is wondering what prompted his original outburst toward James Sundquist, which I was cc'd on, here it is, since he has refused to repent after far more than the biblically mandated number of warnings:
James Sundquist
10/08/2008 02:40 PM
To
rock.salt@verizon.net
cc
rcjohnst@ptd.net
Subject
How Wayne Spriggs Snuffed out C&MA Pastor and Church in Pennslvania; Extorts Pastor to break Law in Counseling Confidentiality Bribe; Jim Grumbine Collaborator
Dear Pastors, Workers, and Members of the C&MA in Pennsylvania and Members of the Media and Church Discernment Ministries in the U.S. and Canada,
What follows is a brief summary and case study of how Wayne Spriggs systematically destroyed a good and God-fearing pastor and his church.
A number of C&MA pastors revert to the reversion clause in the C&MA Constitution to defend Wayne Spriggs, District Superintendent for Eastern Pennsylvania, but the Reversion Clause (though I believe is a license to steal) can not be invoked capriciously, arbitrarily, without due process outlined in the C&MA Constitution, and without just cause.
Secondly, the Reversion Clause is unilateral, with virtually no accountability of the District or Headquarters. A local pastor or church should be able to prevent the seizure of its property, assets, bank accounts by the C&MA District, if it can document that the C&MA doctrines and teachings have been compromised or apostate, such as Wayne Spriggs has trotted into his district. The C&MA should not automatically be able to seize the property because the pastor or the congregation refuse to be psychologized with science falsely so-called such as SMART and SHAPE. Wayne Spriggs nit-picks over a miniscule percentage of the church's income that was used to pay for the phone long distance calls, Internet, Bob Idding's vacation time, and thereby straining at a gnat, while he swallows a camel of false teacher Rick Warren and Emerging Church teachers , and seizes Reedsville C&MA bank and property worth exponentially more...even though even this was all paid for by its members not him, not the District, and not the C&MA Headquarters. So how much money did the Spriggs personally or corporately through the C&MA District contribute to Reedsville C&MA Church? He wants to save the church's money by taking it ALL? He wants pinch pennies over the cost of ink cartridges for Bob Iddings' computer, but is willing to pay $80 a session to a psychologist Bob Iddings doesn't even need...even Reedsville C&AM Church members and other leaders in the C&MA don't even think he needed. This is a classic ambush by false accuser of the brethren! They make it sound like his severance package was a gift or welfare and then have the gall to attack him personally for rightfully stating his belief that he was entitled to his vacation pay and severance package. This is all vested...you don't earn it after the fact of your firing or resignation. You should ask for what you are entitled to as a good steward of your wife, family, and daughter. Bob Iddings deserved it. To humiliate him for asking, then make threats if you don't behave according to his warped concept of behavior is a stench in the nostrils of the Lord. They make it sound like this all came of out of their pockets. Then we found it bizarre that Wetzel would ask Bob Iddings to reconsider resigning after he told Bob Iddings that they would not renew his license in 2009. And why would Spriggs want to redeploy him if Pastor Iddings had not demonstrated any turnaround and remained unrepentant? Why doesn't Spriggs use Scripture such as the seven churches in Revelation to determine what is a healthy church as criteria instead of the numerology and sorcery of this world's philosophy and science falsely so-called such as SMART psychometrics, let alone demand of Bob Iddings what even John Soper agrees is illegal..that is force him to sign a waiver that the psychologist that Spriggs chose (not Iddings choice) divulge confidential information to Wayne Spriggs. If anyone can't see that this isn't Big Brother, they need their eyes examined. This alone reveals Spriggs true colors! Why isn't it Spriggs credentials that are revoked. The victim pays and the plunderer goes free! Spriggs thinks he is the victim, yet he got all of Reedsville bank account and property, the members get nothing but an empty bag they are now holding. Even if Spriggs wants to take out personal vengeance on Bob Iddings, why did he insist on making his whole congregation pay? Answer: He is an expert in greed and the C&MA's global agenda! I am shocked that out of over two thousand C&MA pastors and workers in the U.S. and Canada, so few showed even an ounce of compassion for the members of Bob Idding's church in Eastern Pennsylvania. Spriggs did not help Bob Iddings or the members of this church, but deserted them...that is clear from his own testimony! Wayne Spriggs came unhinged and attacked Bob Iddings because two former adherents made charges against Spriggs. But how are they inappropriate if they are true? And if these two were former adherents, Pastor Bob Iddings would no longer have any authority over them anyway. If even Daniel Wetzel states that Spriggs decision to revoke Bob Iddings' license was to force compliance with DEXCOM recommendations, why isn't he or Soper forcing Spriggs to make restitution and restoration to Bob Iddings and his congregation and disciplining Spriggs? MR. SPRIGGS AND MR. SOPER, GIVE THE CHURCH BACK TO PEOPLE OF REEDSVILLE AND MAKE RESTITUTION TO STILL ANOTHER PASTOR AND MORE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST THAT YOU HAVE DESTROYED! Spriggs behaves illegally and is rewarded, and Bob Iddings behaved legally and he and his congregation are punished. Even if Mr. Fred Joost stated that Bob Iddings and his church had done nothing wrong and had done nothing to be ashamed of, yet 99.% of the C&MA pastors and workers who were emailed deserted Bob Iddings and his church or blamed him and the messengers of this alert, and almost none blamed Spriggs, why did he not record his objection in the Dexcom Recommendations? But even though the C&MA has does not care that this happened to Reedsville, they had better watch out if they think it can't happen to them. They had better watch out if they don't conform to the numerology of their SMART psychometrics and usurping the office of the Holy Spirit as though they can measure spirituality, particularly with the tools of men. And even though they don't care, we will continue to notify the church at large and the media, who do care! No wonder the C&MA is getting such a bad reputation. THAT IS BOTH THE APPEARANCE OF EVIL AS WELL AS ACTUAL EVIL! But the C&MA leaders will not get away with this forever, as their sin will find them out!
Please find attached the article which addresses the C&MA Reversion Clause ...attached.
C&MA PASTORS LETTERS OF RETALIATION AND RESPONSES RE C&MA HIJACKING OF CHINESE AND VIETNAMESE CHURCHES:
http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/CMASkullandCrossbonesRM.pdf
JIM GRUMBINE SAT ON THE C&MA DEXCOM BOARD (IN COLLABORATION WITH WAYNE SPRIGGS, T.D. KELLER, FRED JOOST, C.M. HILLYARD, S.P MOTTER, J.A. SMITH, J.W. BROKOPP, D.J. PULLEN) THAT HELPED DESTROY BOB IDDINGS AND RECOMMENDED AND WITNESSED THE AMBUSH OF BOB IDDINGS AND APPROVED ILLEGAL RECOMMENDATION THAT "MR. IDDINGS BE REQUIRED TO SIGN A RELEASE ALLOWING FOR THE COUNSELOR [DR. JIM OR ROY JOHNSTON] REPORT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT", VIOLIATING PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY STATUES AND THE PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS ON FEB 5, 2008 9:30 AM]:
Here is an example of the wrath vs. charity from C&MA pastor Jim Grumbine in
Camp Hill, Pennslyvania:
From: jimgrumbine@juno.com
IT IS NOT MY DESIRE TO RECEIVE YOUR LIBELOUS AND TOXIC FAIRYTALES.
FURTHER, AS I HAVE NEVER COMMUNICATED WITH YOU AT ANY TIME FOR ANY PURPOSE, YOUR USE OF THIS PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS CONSTITUTES AN INVASION OF PRIVACY, AND I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT YOU HAVE OBTAINED IT THROUGH QUESTIONABLE MEANS.
YOU ARE INSTRUCTED TO REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM ALL FURTHER COMMUNICATION.
JAMES GRUMBINE
On February 27, 2008 Wayne Spriggs reinforces his illegal threat to Bob Iddings with this statement [I am very familiar with Mr. Spriggs threats because he has made them against me]:
"you will be signing a waiver of release to permit Dr. Johnson to correspond with me regarding your progress in counseling"
Yet C&MA Vice President John Soper states this to Bob Idding in a letter dated August 1, 2008 [after Bob Iddings had already been destroyed by the C&MA]:
"You are under no obligation to release records of conversations with counselor unless you choose to do so."
So the C&MA is indicted by their own testimony, proving that Wayne Spriggs committed extortion against Bob Iddings which is a crime for which you can go to prison if convicted. I can't help but inquire if either of the psychologists Dr. Jim or Roy Johnston, that Wayne Soper picked for Bob Iddings was aware of this illegal act on the part of Spriggs to force Bob Iddings to sign a waiver???
One simply could not believe this chicanery by this lynch mob of C&MA leaders unless it were in writing at their own hands and signed by them.
The inch thick files of letters and documents on Bob Iddings makes this a perfect case study and Wayne Spriggs the posterchild example of how the C&MA destroys a pastor and church if they dare to even question their global Purpose-Driven/Emerging Church Transformation Agenda vs. the New Testament Church.
If for some reason some of you did not receive the document entitled:
"C&MA Purpose-Driven Pirates Steal Another Church Property and Loot Bank Account & UPDATE: Vietnamese Boat People Church Files Criminal Fraud Charges Against C&MA in Los Angeles County"
please advise, and we will send it to you immediately.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing
http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/
P.S. We have endeavored to comply with all requests for removal from our mailing list. However, in many cases, names are on different kinds of lists, or a pastor is listed under a general box, or has different emails. Also, in many cases, your name might not have been immediately removed because Scripturally we are mandated to give two warnings. So if for any reason you have not still been removed and have requested it, please advise, so that we may clean purge your name from the list.
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No, I am not attempting to do what you have already done in terms of judging. I am asking simply that you leave me out of your discussions and dialogs. You don't know me or anything about me. If you did, I genuinely think you would be more responsive. I don not know what has brought you to the point of engaging in this type of blogging, but it serves no positive purpose in my view. Regardless, I am again asking you to remove my name and all reference to me. I will give consideration to further legal recourses otherwise.
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Ok so now we are not only going to judge another Christian, demand authority over their free speech, and, we are going to take them to court for simply telling the truth? How many Scriptural violations can you rack up in one short email exchange?
If you knew me, James Grumbine, you wouldn't be so judgemental! You'd be more responsive! I'm really a wonderful person, you know! You'd know that, if you knew me! Sound vain? yeah I guess it does. hm...
sorry James, I have had that 'legal options' card played before. Seems Richard Abanes played it with Ingrid Schlueter, Ken Silva, Chris Rosebrough, etc.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Paula
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If anyone is wondering what prompted his original outburst toward James Sundquist, which I was cc'd on, here it is, since he has refused to repent after far more than the biblically mandated number of warnings:
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James Sundquist
10/08/2008 02:40 PM
To
rock.salt@verizon.net
cc
rcjohnst@ptd.net
Subject
How Wayne Spriggs Snuffed out C&MA Pastor and Church in Pennslvania; Extorts Pastor to break Law in Counseling Confidentiality Bribe; Jim Grumbine Collaborator
Dear Pastors, Workers, and Members of the C&MA in Pennsylvania and Members of the Media and Church Discernment Ministries in the U.S. and Canada,
What follows is a brief summary and case study of how Wayne Spriggs systematically destroyed a good and God-fearing pastor and his church.
A number of C&MA pastors revert to the reversion clause in the C&MA Constitution to defend Wayne Spriggs, District Superintendent for Eastern Pennsylvania, but the Reversion Clause (though I believe is a license to steal) can not be invoked capriciously, arbitrarily, without due process outlined in the C&MA Constitution, and without just cause.
Secondly, the Reversion Clause is unilateral, with virtually no accountability of the District or Headquarters. A local pastor or church should be able to prevent the seizure of its property, assets, bank accounts by the C&MA District, if it can document that the C&MA doctrines and teachings have been compromised or apostate, such as Wayne Spriggs has trotted into his district. The C&MA should not automatically be able to seize the property because the pastor or the congregation refuse to be psychologized with science falsely so-called such as SMART and SHAPE. Wayne Spriggs nit-picks over a miniscule percentage of the church's income that was used to pay for the phone long distance calls, Internet, Bob Idding's vacation time, and thereby straining at a gnat, while he swallows a camel of false teacher Rick Warren and Emerging Church teachers , and seizes Reedsville C&MA bank and property worth exponentially more...even though even this was all paid for by its members not him, not the District, and not the C&MA Headquarters. So how much money did the Spriggs personally or corporately through the C&MA District contribute to Reedsville C&MA Church? He wants to save the church's money by taking it ALL? He wants pinch pennies over the cost of ink cartridges for Bob Iddings' computer, but is willing to pay $80 a session to a psychologist Bob Iddings doesn't even need...even Reedsville C&AM Church members and other leaders in the C&MA don't even think he needed. This is a classic ambush by false accuser of the brethren! They make it sound like his severance package was a gift or welfare and then have the gall to attack him personally for rightfully stating his belief that he was entitled to his vacation pay and severance package. This is all vested...you don't earn it after the fact of your firing or resignation. You should ask for what you are entitled to as a good steward of your wife, family, and daughter. Bob Iddings deserved it. To humiliate him for asking, then make threats if you don't behave according to his warped concept of behavior is a stench in the nostrils of the Lord. They make it sound like this all came of out of their pockets. Then we found it bizarre that Wetzel would ask Bob Iddings to reconsider resigning after he told Bob Iddings that they would not renew his license in 2009. And why would Spriggs want to redeploy him if Pastor Iddings had not demonstrated any turnaround and remained unrepentant? Why doesn't Spriggs use Scripture such as the seven churches in Revelation to determine what is a healthy church as criteria instead of the numerology and sorcery of this world's philosophy and science falsely so-called such as SMART psychometrics, let alone demand of Bob Iddings what even John Soper agrees is illegal..that is force him to sign a waiver that the psychologist that Spriggs chose (not Iddings choice) divulge confidential information to Wayne Spriggs. If anyone can't see that this isn't Big Brother, they need their eyes examined. This alone reveals Spriggs true colors! Why isn't it Spriggs credentials that are revoked. The victim pays and the plunderer goes free! Spriggs thinks he is the victim, yet he got all of Reedsville bank account and property, the members get nothing but an empty bag they are now holding. Even if Spriggs wants to take out personal vengeance on Bob Iddings, why did he insist on making his whole congregation pay? Answer: He is an expert in greed and the C&MA's global agenda! I am shocked that out of over two thousand C&MA pastors and workers in the U.S. and Canada, so few showed even an ounce of compassion for the members of Bob Idding's church in Eastern Pennsylvania. Spriggs did not help Bob Iddings or the members of this church, but deserted them...that is clear from his own testimony! Wayne Spriggs came unhinged and attacked Bob Iddings because two former adherents made charges against Spriggs. But how are they inappropriate if they are true? And if these two were former adherents, Pastor Bob Iddings would no longer have any authority over them anyway. If even Daniel Wetzel states that Spriggs decision to revoke Bob Iddings' license was to force compliance with DEXCOM recommendations, why isn't he or Soper forcing Spriggs to make restitution and restoration to Bob Iddings and his congregation and disciplining Spriggs? MR. SPRIGGS AND MR. SOPER, GIVE THE CHURCH BACK TO PEOPLE OF REEDSVILLE AND MAKE RESTITUTION TO STILL ANOTHER PASTOR AND MORE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST THAT YOU HAVE DESTROYED! Spriggs behaves illegally and is rewarded, and Bob Iddings behaved legally and he and his congregation are punished. Even if Mr. Fred Joost stated that Bob Iddings and his church had done nothing wrong and had done nothing to be ashamed of, yet 99.% of the C&MA pastors and workers who were emailed deserted Bob Iddings and his church or blamed him and the messengers of this alert, and almost none blamed Spriggs, why did he not record his objection in the Dexcom Recommendations? But even though the C&MA has does not care that this happened to Reedsville, they had better watch out if they think it can't happen to them. They had better watch out if they don't conform to the numerology of their SMART psychometrics and usurping the office of the Holy Spirit as though they can measure spirituality, particularly with the tools of men. And even though they don't care, we will continue to notify the church at large and the media, who do care! No wonder the C&MA is getting such a bad reputation. THAT IS BOTH THE APPEARANCE OF EVIL AS WELL AS ACTUAL EVIL! But the C&MA leaders will not get away with this forever, as their sin will find them out!
Please find attached the article which addresses the C&MA Reversion Clause ...attached.
C&MA PASTORS LETTERS OF RETALIATION AND RESPONSES RE C&MA HIJACKING OF CHINESE AND VIETNAMESE CHURCHES:
http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/CMASkullandCrossbonesRM.pdf
JIM GRUMBINE SAT ON THE C&MA DEXCOM BOARD (IN COLLABORATION WITH WAYNE SPRIGGS, T.D. KELLER, FRED JOOST, C.M. HILLYARD, S.P MOTTER, J.A. SMITH, J.W. BROKOPP, D.J. PULLEN) THAT HELPED DESTROY BOB IDDINGS AND RECOMMENDED AND WITNESSED THE AMBUSH OF BOB IDDINGS AND APPROVED ILLEGAL RECOMMENDATION THAT "MR. IDDINGS BE REQUIRED TO SIGN A RELEASE ALLOWING FOR THE COUNSELOR [DR. JIM OR ROY JOHNSTON] REPORT TO THE SUPERINTENDENT", VIOLIATING PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY STATUES AND THE PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS ON FEB 5, 2008 9:30 AM]:
Here is an example of the wrath vs. charity from C&MA pastor Jim Grumbine in
Camp Hill, Pennslyvania:
From: jimgrumbine@juno.com
IT IS NOT MY DESIRE TO RECEIVE YOUR LIBELOUS AND TOXIC FAIRYTALES.
FURTHER, AS I HAVE NEVER COMMUNICATED WITH YOU AT ANY TIME FOR ANY PURPOSE, YOUR USE OF THIS PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS CONSTITUTES AN INVASION OF PRIVACY, AND I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT YOU HAVE OBTAINED IT THROUGH QUESTIONABLE MEANS.
YOU ARE INSTRUCTED TO REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS FROM ALL FURTHER COMMUNICATION.
JAMES GRUMBINE
On February 27, 2008 Wayne Spriggs reinforces his illegal threat to Bob Iddings with this statement [I am very familiar with Mr. Spriggs threats because he has made them against me]:
"you will be signing a waiver of release to permit Dr. Johnson to correspond with me regarding your progress in counseling"
Yet C&MA Vice President John Soper states this to Bob Idding in a letter dated August 1, 2008 [after Bob Iddings had already been destroyed by the C&MA]:
"You are under no obligation to release records of conversations with counselor unless you choose to do so."
So the C&MA is indicted by their own testimony, proving that Wayne Spriggs committed extortion against Bob Iddings which is a crime for which you can go to prison if convicted. I can't help but inquire if either of the psychologists Dr. Jim or Roy Johnston, that Wayne Soper picked for Bob Iddings was aware of this illegal act on the part of Spriggs to force Bob Iddings to sign a waiver???
One simply could not believe this chicanery by this lynch mob of C&MA leaders unless it were in writing at their own hands and signed by them.
The inch thick files of letters and documents on Bob Iddings makes this a perfect case study and Wayne Spriggs the posterchild example of how the C&MA destroys a pastor and church if they dare to even question their global Purpose-Driven/Emerging Church Transformation Agenda vs. the New Testament Church.
If for some reason some of you did not receive the document entitled:
"C&MA Purpose-Driven Pirates Steal Another Church Property and Loot Bank Account & UPDATE: Vietnamese Boat People Church Files Criminal Fraud Charges Against C&MA in Los Angeles County"
please advise, and we will send it to you immediately.
Sincerely in Christ,
James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing
http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/
P.S. We have endeavored to comply with all requests for removal from our mailing list. However, in many cases, names are on different kinds of lists, or a pastor is listed under a general box, or has different emails. Also, in many cases, your name might not have been immediately removed because Scripturally we are mandated to give two warnings. So if for any reason you have not still been removed and have requested it, please advise, so that we may clean purge your name from the list.
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