December 1, 2016

Rosebrough claims he was deceived then blames those who weren't

Yawn.  Same old same old from Chris.  Blame everyone who arrived at the right conclusion based on the evidence LONG before you did.

The following screenshots were in response to this thread and article by Julie Anne at Spiritual Sounding board.



This boils down to “Calculus and Biochemistry teachers are engaging in gaslighting because *I* don’t know or understand any of that stuff.” — the essential Chris Rosebrough, preschool teacher extraordinaire.

It's not as if anyone with any common sense couldn't see the repentance was fake.  Maybe Chris gets blinded by a person's personal charms but that doesn't mean everyone does. It's also not as if people haven't been trying to warn him for at least three or four years (I have personally, I don't know about anyone else) that there is something wrong with Tullian's teaching.  I have said before that I think some of the critiques were unbalanced (Steve Lawson's in particular) but that doesn't mean they have been baseless.

But hey, he does admit he was deceived by a Christian Celebrity.  Where is this "discerner's" discernment? Why did he promote the guy when he knew so little about him?

Will he now go on to admit his discernment sucked here? Will he actually go back and analyze Tullian's message to see what is missing?

I won't hold my breath.

November 30, 2016

So much predatory behavior... a story of Tullian Tchividjian

...In which he throws his siblings under the bus for not going along with his malignant narcissism, and anyone else who doesn't believe his outlandish tales.

Honestly, reading these, I have to wonder if this guy ever was saved.  No wonder he can't become a Lutheran.  Then he would have to admit he can lose his salvation.

Nate Sparks' collection of testimonies of women who were exploited by Tullian Tchividjian, along with articles explaining the problems with Tullian's public unChristian behavior regarding the exposure of his marital infidelities.


Julie Anne's collection of testimonies of women exploited by Tullian, and a chronology/timeline of events regarding Tullian's fall, and his continued smug wallowing in the pit.


In particular this one (well actually there will be four by the time they are done, and I will add them as they appear) is important because it is the testimony of the woman "Rachel" (her real name) in the first affair that was publicly confessed, but which actually makes her "woman #2" (that we know of anyway).


https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2016/11/29/survivor-of-tullian-tchividjians-alleged-clergy-sexual-abuse-goes-public-with-her-story-part-2/

https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2016/11/29/survivor-of-tullian-tchividjians-alleged-clergy-sexual-abuse-goes-public-with-her-story-part-3/

Note - I am linking to these sites as source material - I do not always agree with the theological viewpoint of Julie Anne or Nate Sparks.  But that should not matter in the evaluation of the facts of these stories of Tchividjian's abusive behavior.  We should all be on the same page on that.

November 8, 2016

The political confusion of John Macarthur

So the other day John Macarthur advocated we vote for "the other guy/coalition" (i.e. not Hillary but Trump).

As usual whenever anyone tries to explain why we should vote for Trump who is the same kind of evil that Hillary is, it made no sense at all.

Here are his remarks:

John MacArthur Comments on the Election - November 6, 2016 from Grace Community Church on Vimeo.

he also had this to say at his Master's University Summit:

He says this is a massive worldview issue, makes a big deal out of it here, then a little later on Sunday morning said that we should've overestimate the importance of this election. He makes NO sense at all. But then, no one voting for Trump makes any moral sense. A coalition? Does he suggest that if we are faced with an election where there is a Democrat who is staunchly pro life and fighting the democrat platform on it, vs a republican who is pro choice, we should vote for the 'coalition' i.e. the Republican? This is entirely illogical and unethical.

 Besides, when have Republicans ever coherently stood for life against Democrats? They don't care about the issue, it's just a political football to most of them that they use to get votes. Christians are so unbelievably gullible, as a whole. Even these mature old preachers can't seem to get it into their heads that they're being conned.

 THERE IS NO PRO LIFE POSITION ON TRUMP'S WEBSITE!


Here is what he said back in March.  WHAT CHANGED? If you can't beat em join em.  Yes, so Biblical Dr Macarthur.


Interesting that today Phil Johnson pulled down his articles against Trump from this page:
http://www.romans45.org/articles/trump.htm
Now it just has the above video.

Here is what used to be there just yesterday.
On the 2016 Presidential Election by Phil Johnson

Today it is gone, and even the archive.org copy is gone. That's thorough and IMO pretty cowardly.  Today he is saying that JM wasn't saying voting for Trump is standing for righteousness/God etc.  But JM's own words carry that implication quite clearly.

He also still has his Facebook post up about the Evangelical Chant for Barabbas in which he argues that at least publicly advocating publicly voting for Trump indeed is sinful. And that voting for Trump even quietly and privately is at the very least very unwise.

A few have commented there in the last 24 hours, so it makes me wonder if it is going to be pulled soon too.

But never fear, it has been saved for posterity just in case.  Sigh.  I really wish these guys would just learn to live with your words like the rest of us do, even if they have to apologize for them/recant.

The sad thing is, I really appreciate the strong stance these guys take for truth normally.  That's why this kind of flinching under fire doesn't make any sense.


It would be so refreshing if the church actually spoke with one voice on such matters.  But clearly Satan is targeting even well respected, solid men of God to sow confusion among his flock.

Maranatha, Lord come save us now... from ourselves.

November 6, 2016

My brother-in-law Dana's Election Sermon

My brother-in-law Dana's Election Sermon.

Just started listening to it and it's awesome so far.

I am also struck when listening our own pastor Rob preach, how anyone can listen to exhortations on humility, patience, righteousness, kindness, etc and therefore go home and reason that we need to vote for a misogynistic hateful lawless abusive angry bully cuz it's the 'Christian' thing to do.

October 16, 2016

ICHABOD

I have been so disturbed that some in my church, sweet caring people, are excusing Trump and posting defenses of him on their Facebook pages. I told one ~60 yr old lady off who has spent her ENTIRE ADULT LIFE working with troubled young men. She should KNOW better! I unfriended quite a few from my small church this past week. I told my pastor a few days ago as a result of all this Trumpodolatry I don't want to go anymore.  He definitely sympathizes and can't understand the support for Trump.

We got up and skipped Sunday School but drove to church (and it takes 35 minutes to drive there).  Then we sat for ten minutes in the church parking lot. I couldn't  make myself go in.

Just want to cry. someone, at least one, had a trump sticker on their car and I just wanted to leave.  (I don't know how many actually were advertising for Trump - after that I couldn't look anymore  but I know I've heard at least a handful of people arguing for trump during fellowship over the last few weeks. And yes, we have had #neverTrump and #NeverHIllary on our cars for about 6 months, I think, give or take, but no stickers endorsing anyone.  And now I'm glad I never put a Cruz sticker on there since he STILL hasn't retracted his foolish endorsement.)

It's one thing to vote for him because you feel trapped and don't know what else to do, quite another to "evangelize" for him.  Those who feel trapped are not attacking their brothers and sisters and telling them they're "voting for Hillary" because they don't vote for Trump.

But a vote for Trump I see as equivalent to a vote for Hillary.  He's done all the same things as Bill and Hillary when they were in the run up to getting elected, and their sycophants were saying ALL the same things in his defense!  It's unbelievable!

Service started at 1030. We went back to our home town and got some food and sat in the car because we couldn't figure out what else to do.

Church is supposed to be a sanctuary and I feel like ppl are walking around w Nazi armbands and others are just tolerating it as a minor political disagreement.

Maybe I should try wearing one myself and see if anyone says anything.

October 13, 2016

I’VE MET “DONALD TRUMP” AND I’M TIRED OF YOU DEFENDING HIM. IT’S #NOTOKAY (Mandi Livingston)

Happened upon this today. I am having a hard time not being very very angry when I see Christian men defending and excusing Trump. Forgive me, I guess. I'm just a sinner like everyone else. I know too many people who have been sexually abused, and I have had my own experiences with dirty old men trying to grope me, teenage boys talking dirty to me in school when i was in 3rd or 4th grade, etc, and bullying. CONSTANT bullying, harassing, mocking for every reason under the sun. IT IS NOT OK. But for some reason men think it's great to advocate voting for such people to take on the presidency of the United States. Clinton is just as bad. Her husband is just as bad. TRUMP HAS DEFENDED BOTH OF THEM in the recent past for their evil behavior. No one seems to remember. He's literally a narcissistic, power hungry, sex addict/abuser and nut case, but I guess that's OK, we can overlook that as long as he's not a Democrat.
???

I’VE MET “DONALD TRUMP” AND I’M TIRED OF YOU DEFENDING HIM. IT’S #NOTOKAY  (Mandi Livingston)
What bothered me the most was the excuses given by those who claimed the name of Christ. I don’t know why, really. I learned the hard way back in high school when a pastor excused the abuse my best friend suffered by a church member as a case of “a man being overly-friendly.” And I think that’s why I couldn’t say anything when I, too, was assaulted by my own cousin. This side of my family is nothing but church people and I’m terrified still I’ll somehow end up being the bad guy in all this.

In my experiences, too often sexual abuse and assault is excused in the church. Forgiveness is supposed to be automatically given because “we are all sinners.” If there is one thing narcissistic deviants are good at, it’s feigning repentance in order to regain trust and access to future victims. They charm their way back into good graces, play the penitent soul, and the victims of their abuse are, in a cruel twist, the bad guy if they can’t find it in their heart to forgive and move on.

And to that, I cry “bullshit.” Sexual abuse, sexual assault is an act that not only violates a body for a moment, but scars a mind forever. From the moment the assault occurs, a life is forever changed, be it just a kiss, an illicit touch, or heaven forbid, rape. A body is violated, and mentally, it’s close to impossible to erase the fear and the physical memory of the touch. Ask survivors… how many have frozen up during a moment of intimacy with their spouse as a fleeting memory crawls out from the scar in their mind? The simplest triggers bring the moment back because innocence and security was stolen by a deviant soul.

But yet, we’re told to just forgive. We’re told to move on. We’re told it’s just “locker room talk” or “boys will be boys.” I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. Excusing the behavior, turning a blind eye to it… it’s how we end up with Brock Turner and his dad claiming rape was “just 20 minutes of action.” We have a problem, folks , dealing with the structure of the rape culture these creeps take advantage of. Rape culture will never be dismantled as long as trite excuses are given.
Jerry Falwell Jr appeared on CNN and told us he would vote for Trump even if he were guilty of rape/sexual assault.



Honest to God I swear this guy is on drugs the more I look at and listen to him.

Jerry Falwell Jr needs to be out of Liberty U, he should be run out on a rail.  The students should put on a tuition revolt until he's gone.  He and his cronies have been shilling for liars and charlatans even on their own staff, and attacking whistleblowers, for far too long.  It's unbelievable and blasphemes Christ.  Romans 2:24

“I feel a strong desire to tell you – and I expect you feel a strong desire to tell me – which of these two errors is the worse. That is the devil getting at us. He always sends errors into the world in pairs – pairs of opposites. And he always encourages us to spend a lot of time thinking which is the worse. You see why, of course? He relies upon your extra dislike of the one error to draw you gradually into the opposite one. But do not let us be fooled. We have to keep our eyes on the goal and go straight through between both errors (p. 186).” Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis

If you want godly Christian options, look at Darrell Castle. (btw, The Libertarian party its just liberal democrats with guns.)  If you want even just a better moral sensible option and aren't opposed to voting for a nice Mormon guy, look at Evan Mcmullin.  Of the two it seems for now that Mcmullin has the better chance of making an impact at the electoral college level, and throwing the race to the House.  Not a giant comfort measure by any means but maybe enough sense could be knocked into the House before November and they would rid us of the evil duo that currently heads the polls.  I won't hold my breath.  But I also won't hold my nose and vote for the very real evil of either major party.  This loss is all on Trump and his Trumpons.  God help us.


October 12, 2016

Third party can't win?

It's been so disgusting to me to see Christian men blowing off the recently exposed  comments of Donald Trump toward women and how he feels entitled to grope their bodies regardless of whether they give consent, because he is a star.

Christians who defend this man tell every sexual abuse victim they don't care about them and therefore Jesus doesn't care about them.

I'm also pretty sick of people who buy the lie that a third party can't win. (Remember the Republicans were the third party at one time).  Well, here's a poll now showing Evan Mcmullen, who has spent very little and only announced in August, and who is eminently qualified for the job in character and temperament and experience, pulling close to both Hillary and Trump in Utah.  Yes, it's Mormon territory, but it just shows how ripe an opportunity this is to break the two (one?) party monopoly that exists.

Third-Party Candidate Evan McMullin in Statistical Tie with Clinton, Trump in Utah
The poll conducted by Salt Lake City-based Y2 Analytics finds that Trump’s double-digit lead in the state has evaporated after his “grab ’em by the pussy” remarks. Trump is tied with Clinton with both receiving 26% of the vote. McMullin is not far behind with 22%, while Libertarian Gary Johnson is polling at 14%. The poll has a margin-of-error of ±4.4.
(read more at link)

Here is a 92 video playlist of interviews/speeches by Evan Mcmullin



I'm sure this one is in the list but this was also an excellent interview, from the days after Cruz foolishly endorsed Trump.


(It's interesting to note that the very people who have been pressuring Cruz to endorse him are now backing off their support for Trump.  It's all on Cruz for not realizing this was going to happen.  It was painfully obvious to the rest of us all along.)