September 16, 2013

James Macdonald and his elder board's version of Sacerdotalism

Harvest Bible Chapel's "elder update" for September  (note 10-1-2013:  they have since pulled the video because they 1. don't have any idea what they're doing and as such 2. don't have the kohones to stand behind it)

The hubris there is just jaw dropping.

"When the elders speak collectively they speak FOR GOD to our church."

(Apparently what that really means is if they can't get unanimity, they just boot the dissenters, discipline them, and call it unanimous.)

This is no surprise to anyone who's watched anything of the James Macdonald conflict over his money handling and decisions regarding the Elephant Room conferences. It's becoming sadly typical of Evangelicalism. They are returning to embracing Popery in everything but the most blatant ways.

The spiritual brothers of James Macdonald who did not rebuke him in the strongest of terms (HELLO Gospel Coalition) when he started straying showed him no Christian love. The ones showing him love are the very ones he is disciplining now for doing so. May God have mercy on James Macdonald and his yes-men.

related: http://theelephantsdebt.com/2013/09/15/former-elders-scott-phelps-and-barry-slabaugh-release-a-statement-and-are-publicly-labeled-as-satantic-and-ex-communicated-by-hbc/

http://theelephantsdebt.com/2013/06/22/recent-update-22-june-2013/

NOTE: Someone (not me) uploaded the original video which they are trying to hide to archive.org http://archive.org/details/JamesMacDonaldHarvastBibleChapel

September 12, 2013

Chris Pinto's accusations against Christine Pack, transcribed.



Chris Pinto's words against Christine Pack,  transcribed.  Not much commentary except to explain when I skip portions because he is just reading Scripture and then explaining what he read.  I can do that later. I may go through later and add bold to parts I think worthy of note.  But I don't have time right now.  I've taken too much time already to transcribe these.  The words are plain in themselves.

Confronting the tale bearers 8-19-13 Noise of Thunder Radio

or
http://www.noiseofthunder.com/show-downloads-two/2013/8/19/noise-of-thunder-confronting-the-talebearers-81913.html

0:44 Today on the show we are going to talk about the issue of being a talebearer.
A tale bearer and a gossip. What does it mean to be a talebearer and a gossip?

Now obviously the show is not going to be a huge surprise to people who have been following things that have been going on with our ministry over the past few weeks and in the past few days in particular.

As some of  you know I'm sure, many of you probably,  there has been a brouhaha over a website called SolaSisters that has published all kinds of information, insidious comments and innuendos and things like that, where our ministry is concerned and made a number of statements, of course I posted a response under our articles page.   (revised version 8-19, haven't compared, the document has since been pulled from WVW and NOTR's sites) And Brannon Howse sent out the response last night through the worldview weekend newsletter, and it's posted at worldviewweekend.com Because a lot of the attacks were not just aimed against me, But also against Brannon and worldview weekend as well.

2:04 And so it's just created a whole big mess that has gone on for several weeks from what I understand. It really even goes back several months from what I've been told about it.

But I really, when things like this happen, I try to avoid them. Because I prefer not to get involved with gossip and that's what really most of the stuff was. It was just gossip level information Or assertions, murmurings, Whisperings, I mean, it's all, it's why we're going to do the show on this Today because, as I go through the scripture And I read all of these scriptures about this, It just becomes clearer to me That that's what all of the stuff amounted to.

Chris Pinto "apologizes" to Dr James White and Alan Kurschner

Pinto apologized to Alan and Dr. White on his program yesterday.

So does that mean Brannon will take Rosebrough back? Can Both Howse and Pinto now apologize to Christine?

I'm thinking no, and no.

It would be nice to hear an apology, what since CR vanished from Worldview Weekend just days after asking for repentance from Pinto. Obviously now it has come to light that Pinto agrees with CR's call for him to repent...so that dismissing CR for asking for such apology seems to have been done by Howse in error.  I won't hold my breath.

Start listening at the 33:00 mark.  I started around 30 minutes in where he was reading from the Textus Receptus... I mean the KJV

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/noise-of-thunder-radio-show/2013/9/11/notr-the-grace-mercy-of-god-91113.html

September 9, 2013

The Proper Place of Women in Preaching, Teaching, Discernment etc. (Chris Rosebrough)

(aside: for an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

(2-25-2015 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)


I found Chris's 4 part series "
"How to Not Be Deceived, Bamboozled or Snookered by Religious Hucksters, Snake Oil Con Men or Your Own Idolatrous Notions" (youtube playlist)

I'm on part 2b (The order is 1, 2a, 2b, and 3 -- no idea why it's not just 1, 2, 3, 4 but... oh  well!)

At 26:55 in the youtube video powerpoint
34:24 in the podcast version

Chris has laid out the correct idea that clear passages are central on any topic, and it  helps us to understand and clarify the obscurer passages.  He brings up and gives examples on how this is disregarded and Scripture is twisted in order to justify women's ordination.

An audience member asks about the judge Deborah in the context of discussing women's ordination.    Chris's answer is excellent.  And far better than the complaining about "discernment divas" which we hear from certain men in Evangelicalism these days.
"I would go to the [story of the] judge Deborah. And when you read that story that story itself is brimming with tension regarding the fact that the men aren't doing what they're supposed to do. To the point where Deborah literally tells an Israeli commander to do his job and he won't do it unless she's there with him and she says 'fine, I'll go with you, but God's not going to give you the glory.' In Scripture it's always clear that when the men aren't doing their jobs, and it ends up with women rising up to the top like that, it's an indictment against the men and a judgement against them. That's a harsh way of thinking about it in 21st century American terms but that's a big part of the story of Deborah. So keep that in mind. But that wouldn't then… that passage, you can't put Judges and the story of Deborah in the center to obliterate all the other passages. And she's not operating in, she's not teaching in the synagogue."

another followup question that's too hard to hear comes up and Chris goes on:

"...we know for a fact she's not teaching in the church, but this is the other thing. Just because females do not have given by God the vocation of preaching and teaching in the church does not mean that females do not have the ability to preach and teach God's word. In fact we're all called to do it, it's just there's certain settings in which that's not appropriate. When the church gathers together for Word and Sacrament, that's not given to them to do that. There's an office to whom that is given and it's given to men. Now out in the world, women, preach the gospel to everybody you can find. Teach God's word to everybody who will listen! This is not to put a gag order on women and say 'oh you can't teach God's word ever, forget it it's not going to happen.' No, not at all! And I would even argue that women you are the ones who have the greatest say in the kids in who's coming up in the next generation. I can tell you this, that it was my wife who had the biggest impact on my kids because she's kind and nurturing and I'm grumpy and hairy. Ok, I'm just not that kind of nurturer."

"And so the reality is that these roles that God has created for us, these offices that we have, these offices of husband, father, mother, wife, these are not to be despised by us but embraced by us because this is how God has truly made us. And it's freedom, not slavery, to be acting in those offices where God has put us into. And this is not a gag order on women saying 'oh you can't ever teach God's word,' no no no. There's certain places in which that is not appropriate, God has called men to do a particular job and it's going back to the order of Creation. When you get home, I guarantee you, moms, you're having the greatest impact on your kids, because you're the ones teaching them the Scriptures often times. Although men you should be doing it at the dinner table but that's a different story. "

[Honestly guys like Phil Johnson and Brannon Howse, I would much rather not ever be disturbed enough to write blog posts like this so that I can just plant flowers, veggies, train my dogs, mow my yard, hunt turkeys and deer, clean my house, sew, or whatever else a good Christian gal is supposed to do) -- and I could have that, if Evangelicalism wasn't full of passive men afraid to confront false doctrine, particularly among their buddies.]

Thank you Chris.  I've kinda missed listening for the last year or two. :-)

September 8, 2013

An Interview with Alan Kurschner regarding the Brannon Howse/Chris Pinto situation

Listen here
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/09/interview-with-alan-kurschner.html


"From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor 5:16-21

September 6, 2013

Wow, Facebook Community Standards make me feel SOOO safe.

Yes, you can't get pages like "Kill George Zimmerman" removed or scantily clad porno pictures or pedophile pages, but hey, if you dare to question Brannon Howse, his sycophants will make claims of harassment like this one:


Add to that the fact that this "Andrea" lady was complaining that she was "CRYING" because the fighting was so bad, and claiming no one answered her question on Chris Rosebrough's wall, when he actually DID answer (and I also anwered, though she probably didn't like the answer).  Hence my "you aren't listening" response.  And here you have a prime example of the kind of irrationality that Pinto (and now Howse due to his promotion and rabid defense of Pinto) attracts.  If you talk about what they are saying on public walls, you are gossiping.  If you copy and paste or screen shot what they are saying so as not to misrepresent them, you are bullying.  REALLY?

And Alan Kurschner, if you want to know who Prophetic Minister is that is inquiring about your family members with a view toward being slanderous, it seems to be one Marva Bliss Lanier (doesn't show up in FB searches), and she has two and possibly three different profiles (the third one being this "Thomas TheDoubter" or "Doubting Thomas" she references.  I was in the process of looking for Thomas TheDoubter's message it in my inbox  when I got the boot and I can't get back on for 12 hours due to LIES by Brannon Howse's groupies and facebook's incompetence).




Now, how would "Marva" know anything about a message from "Thomas TheDoubter" even if she HAD been hacked? He/She runs all three profiles, and probably more.  Yes, this message was private, but she is in blatant violation of the FB terms of service by having three profiles (or more), at least two of which definitely have fake names.  Once "prophetic minister" blocked me I had no way of reporting that profile.  And both Marva and PM's profile did not show up in Facebook name searches.



The discussion with Marva started out innocently enough on my end.   She wrote to me first.

She was upset because "some woman" was trying to 'attack' her for 'speaking the truth' etc. I offered her some comfort and encouragement to keep speaking the truth (but had no idea what she was actually talking about).   She complained about how hard it was to cope with the attacks.  So eventually she invited me to add her alter ego as a friend (she called it a 'page' but it was actually an alternative profile' by the name of Prophetic Minister, and this is against FB regulations. I think she also has that 'Thomas' that she refers to in this screen shot, but I can't get in there to check right now of course.  This also means that she is not necessarily a woman, I suppose.)

Then I said (I think I was already skeptical because of the name) I'd check it out in the morning because she had sent it late at night. And the next morning I checked messages and she had said in the meantime: "you know what He told me? 'they are yet carnal'"

So she gets personal words from God, apparently. I think (but can't verify until I get back in) that we talked about the danger of this kind of thing.  Eventually I guess she figured I wasn't buying what she was selling and blocked me from seeing Prophetic Minister, which is why I wasn't able to see one "PM" person that "Andrea L" (from the first screen shot) was talking to on Brannon's wall today.

(FBers please notice the names of the groups s/he's also got going -- ContendingForTheFaith and LastDaysPropheticWatchman, although it's a simple thing to start up a new one or change the name.)

SO, Marva/Thomas TheDoubter/"Prophetic Minister" (cough)

Here's what He is telling ME about you:

"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."  Jude 3-4

Congratulations Brannon Howse and Chris Pinto, those are the sorts of people, who have God speaking to them in their heads, rather than Scripture, that you have supporting you now.  But maybe that's what you both prefer?

It makes me very sad and scared for both men, because they have systematically shut out the sheepdogs  who they found 'annoying' or 'slanderous' because they dared to growl or bark at an intruder.... and as a result the wolves and posers like this Marva person are moving in around them.   And they are "Bliss"fully unaware of their predicament.


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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)

September 4, 2013

"James White Is Trying To Make Chris Pinto Look Like An Uneducated Fool!" "James White Has Not Studied the Issues At Hand." Uhhh......

A friend of mine shared this with me today.  Just, wow.  Stunned.  Surreal. I think my IQ just dropped about 50 points.  The "wrong answer" scene from Billy Madison just flashed before my eyes:


As my friend also noted:  "Count the fallacies..."


The Slips And Follies Of The Pintonian Inquisition – PART 1 & 2

A couple of excellent rebukes from C Michael Majewski over at Christian Research Network

The Slips And Follies Of The Pintonian Inquisition Part 1

The Slips And Follies Of The Pintonian Inquisition Part 2
(especially enjoyed the phrase "Pinto's Papal Pickle.")

No one expects....  oh never mind.  I'll come in again.

A great announcement!

Chris Rosebrough made this excellent announcement in the first 20-25 minutes of Fighting for the Faith yesterday.  A hearty Amen and Hallelujah!  It's all about Christ!

Here it is! Now I can sleep for a while... my brain is totally fried. {:-}
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/09/false-teacher-preaches-about-false-teachers.html
• An Important Announcement, and its not what you think.
• More Patricia on the Fire Revival
• Joyce Meyer Preaches About False Teachers
• Sermon Review: What A Way to Make a Living: A New Boss by Taylor, the preaching intern

So thankful that the Lord patiently works in our lives.  Without Jesus we would all be lost!

(Incidentally, Chris and I have also apologized and forgiven each other... not because we are somehow holier than everyone else, but to acknowledge that though the internet fights may indeed get pretty nasty, the grace of God is greater than all our sin!)

September 3, 2013

The supposed "gossip and slander" posts of Christine Pack (posted by permission)

Christine Pack on the Illuminati, Aug 4
Please click on the images to be taken to the full threads (pdf copy, mobile versions, because they save cleaner as pdf's than the full version)




Christine Pack on William Schnoebelen, Aug 6


"Men And Women Are Not Equal" - Matt Walsh

Men And Women Are Not Equal
A few days ago I wrote a blog entry — a “letter to my son” — where I encouraged men to respect women and pursue healthy, monogamous relationships. Apparently, that’s what passes for “controversial” and “divisive” nowadays. The post took off like wildfire, garnering over two million views in just a few days and, while most people reacted positively to the piece, I was still inundated with volumes of incredibly vicious hate mail. I can’t wait to see how these people respond next week when I really push the envelop and write a post denouncing arson and puppy abuse.

You know me and my controversial opinions.
Read more at Matt Walsh's blog.

Ingrid Schlueter turned me on to this post this morning -- and I have to admit it was fabulous.