September 12, 2013

Chris Pinto "apologizes" to Dr James White and Alan Kurschner

Pinto apologized to Alan and Dr. White on his program yesterday.

So does that mean Brannon will take Rosebrough back? Can Both Howse and Pinto now apologize to Christine?

I'm thinking no, and no.

It would be nice to hear an apology, what since CR vanished from Worldview Weekend just days after asking for repentance from Pinto. Obviously now it has come to light that Pinto agrees with CR's call for him to repent...so that dismissing CR for asking for such apology seems to have been done by Howse in error.  I won't hold my breath.

Start listening at the 33:00 mark.  I started around 30 minutes in where he was reading from the Textus Receptus... I mean the KJV

http://www.noiseofthunder.com/noise-of-thunder-radio-show/2013/9/11/notr-the-grace-mercy-of-god-91113.html

Starting at 30 he is talking about Christians who don't walk according to the truth "everyone who is of the truth hears my voice." (Thankfully he does add that God speaks through the Scriptures)...and that if you're really following Christ he is not leading you into a lascivious lifestyle.

All of this is true, no problems there.  I'm just trying to establish context for the apology he is going to issue after this.
"..put off the old man which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts..." "...and be renewed in the spirit of your mind..." "...put on the new man... " "...in righteousness and true holiness."  "Wherefore putting away lying ,speak everyone truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another. Be ye angry and sin not. Let not the sun go down upon your wrath, neither give place to the devil." "...let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth etc let all bitterness... anger clamor evil speaking... forgiving one another..." etc.
So far, it's a good setup...

Then:
"I want to address an issue that has occupied a certain amount of controversy in recent weeks that many of our listeners are familiar with. On august 28th, during the show in which I spoke about the faith of Andrew Jackson, that was the topic, certain comments were made after the break, and I discussed the education background of Alan Kurschner and the fact that he has contributed to the research of Dr James White. Now without going into too many details, details which many of you are familiar with already, my comments had an inflammatory impact on some. And were taken to mean something OTHER than what I intended." 
Is he for real?  (nudge nudge wink wink Alan K went to a pro "Christian homosexuality" school wink wink)  What *did* he intend toward Alan K and James White?  He never tells us.  Standard M.O. for Pinto.  Raise suggestions and point you at the rumor, but never quite say it yourself. Plausible deniability.  This is what is meant by the adage "Clever liars give details, but the cleverest don't."

SOME people had a problem with it and "misunderstood" me, not "I was wrong to have used such fallacious reasoning to besmirch a Christian Brother who has never said anything remotely as wacky as 'I used to be a vampire with retractable fangs that grew like the male sexual response."
 "....and also to Christine Pack, who I excoriated publicly repeatedly." 
Oh wait, no, that wasn't in there.  [:'-(
"and I want to apologize to our audience for any confusion or discord that came about as a result. Just so you know I have sent private apologies to both men, before making this announcement today. My desire is to encourage from this point forward, I hope, a God fearing approach to our discussions and I apologize for any comments that I've made at any point that fail to uphold that standard."
So, would that include the comments he made about Christine? Who knows. We are left to our imaginations.  If you want him to be sorry for what he said that bothered you, yup he's sorry for it.  Doesn't matter if he actually IS or not -- you can apply this statement at will for anything you've got a problem with.
"now having said that, I must also say that my apology is not intended to justify those who may have insulted or slandered or falsely accused me or the supporters of our ministry in all of this, not at all. "
Oh, nope, we can apply it to everyone BUT Christine.  And probably Jackie Alnor too, apparently!  But if you don't think they've slandered him (in spite of his very public insistence to the contrary) then feel free to think that he's sorry for that too.
"But at this point I choose to leave them to their own conscience before God. And press on with the work I believe the Lord has given us to do. The Scripture tells us if it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. And that is my reason for mentioning this today. I think that we ought to deal graciously with each other I think that we should be merciful to one another. And I think verse 32 in Ephesians 4, Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
Clang clang clang!

Someone really needs to send Pinto that Worldview Weekend vs Christian Media, Limited (LLC) court docket and ask him if that is how Christians are to deal with Christians in court, being tenderhearted, forgiving one another... Brannon also said we have to be very careful about taking unbelievers to court as well (August 14th 2013) and told us about a man who broke a plate glass window at his house while doing Brannon's lawn care and how great it was that Brannon decided to cover the cost of replacement himself instead of filing a claim against him. Isn't that wonderful of him? Such a godly man...(see Matthew 6:1)?

One thing seems to be a possibility, that Pinto really is in fact interested in debating White in December.  That's the only possible note of cheer I can see resulting from this 'apology.'   So, since he is making a fairly limp wristed attempt to smooth over ruffled feathers, at least if you're privileged to have a Y chromosome, we may still have that entertaining spectacle to look forward to!  Well, we can always hope.

Related:
(added 2:45 pm 9-12-2013)

Five Ways on How Not To Apologize: A Case Study on Chris Pinto

Chris Pinto Sort Of Apologizes



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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)