March 31, 2011

Rob Bell Says He Has Been Slandered and the Good News Has Been Hijacked


SQ:"do you think you're gonna go to heaven?"
RB:"Yeah, and I say that because I trust Jesus and I believe in Jesus. But I say it because of my experiences now. That which I can't explain, the peace and joy now, the sense of presence, the sense especially for me it's in the midst of difficult things. I am loved, I am being guided, I am being supported. I'm getting all like..." (choked up?) "um Jesus' announcement was you can know God *now* and you can experience this *now* and greater and greater... yeah"
Well hey, he believes in Jesus, and trusts him, so then we all ought to be all right with him. Remember folks we heard Glenn Beck, a Mormon, give a much more detailed explanation of Atonement on his show, and he still isn't a Christian. We also heard Dan Kimball give a very similar explanation of how he is saved on a certain podcast in November, with questions tossed lightly to him by a softball interviewer, the answers to which wasn't a whole lot more thorough than Rob Bell's.

March 28, 2011

Lane Chaplin: The Gospel Driven Trilogy with guest Dr. Michael Horton (Rightly Divided)

Lane Chaplin has posted a really good interview with Michael Horton, which ends up being a very good rebuttal (as if one was needed) against Frank Turk's previous open letter to Horton.



Horton sounds like he has a little bit of a scratchy throat, hope he gets better soon.

But a great interview.

Got a nice note from Chris this morning (update #3 on 4-3-11)

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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[UPDATE 3 is at the bottom, also made minor formatting changes]

[UPDATE #2 Chris did respond Monday morning to my reply which I sent Monday.  I will add it at the end, so it makes sense in order]

[UPDATE:] Psst Chris -- Ole Anthony is a DIFFERENT Trinity Foundation:
http://www.trinityfi.org/
Just thought you'd like to know.

‎"And one of the best blessings that God can give a person is a smart critic." -- Chris Rosebrough May 1st, 2009 at 11:19 am SOURCE

Back to your regularly scheduled programming:[END UPDATE]

I got a nice note from Chris this morning, that he sent YESTERDAY before going to church.
Huh:
From: Chris Rosebrough
Date: March 27, 2011 7:29:36 AM CDT
To: Paula Coyle
Subject: Go get em tiger

March 25, 2011

Trinity Foundation (NOT Ole Anthony's Trinity Foundation) articles about Michael Horton

I just became aware of this article today, though it's from last summer.

I thought I would share it. I have seen Hugh McCann posting here and there around the internet and appreciated his comments, so I was happy to see his name attached to this article from Trinity Foundation. Disclaimer: I just found Trinity Foundation yesterday, and am not all that familiar with it. But the two articles I have read have echoed ideas and concerns that I have had going around in my head for some time.

The titles are a tad inflammatory (people tend to do that to get you to read), but the articles do make a good case.

Horton's Hypocrisy by Hugh McCann


and
The White Horse Inn: Nonsense On Tap by John W. Robbins.

(UPDATE 3-19-2012: While I have appreciated Robbins' and Hugh McCann's concern over Horton's footsying with Rick Warren, I don't share TrinityFoundation.org's concerns over Horton's (and others such as Tullian Tchividjian) focus on grace sanctification). I'm not sure how McCann views the gospel sanctification idea.)

March 24, 2011

Rick Warren's infiltration of the Reformed Faith (Worldview Weekend)

Worldview Weekend's news team has written up a great article about
Rick Warren's infiltration of the Reformed Faith
The speed with which the Reformed faith is being infiltrated by Rick Warren and his Purpose-Driven false teachings should surprise even those who have been watching the Purpose Driven tsunami in action in the last decade
....
Rick Warren is employing another strategy in his ongoing quest for legitimacy in the Reformed world. An invitation to Saddleback is a big deal for anyone. It means you have officially arrived. Such a visit to the heart of evangelical apostasy by a Reformed author/speaker can be justified if you tell yourself that you will take the truth with you and really deliver it between the eyes of anyone at the conference/seminar/ event to which you're invited.

But what Reformed leaders don't realize is that they are playing directly into Rick Warren's hands. The few at the Saddleback conference who will hear the Reformed speaker's brave stand for truth isn't of concern to Mr. Warren. The fact is that the Reformed leader showed up at all, came to Rick's office and posed obligingly, grin in place and an arm thrown in a brotherly way around Warren's shoulders. It is a photo op with enormous implications, and even Michael Horton of the White Horse Inn got used in this way. Horton posted the photo on his blog; it was tweeted around through social media by various people, causing a lot of confusion.
read more at  http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=7007



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note: in general I do not recommend Worldview Weekend as a source for discernment.

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March 23, 2011

What is a Bridger, Is the concept found in Scripture?

Certain obtuse people keeps asking for a definition of Bridger, saying that it isn't found in Scripture. I am at a loss. It seems painfully obvious to me that the definition/concept (but of course not the term) is found in Scripture.

It seems to be the same concept as found in this term, which everyone accepts and understands as a valid description:
RECONCILER
or PEACEMAKER (Mt 5:9)
Through Christ we have the ministry of reconciliation, through the gospel of Christ crucified for the forgiveness of sins, we make peace between God and men, and therefore ideally between men as well, as they grow in progressive sanctification. This is definitely true. However when you attempt to reconcile wrongly, you become another kind of 'bridge builder/bridger' which scripture condemns.

You become irresponsibly ECUMENIST
or
UNIONIST
". . . In my flesh dwelleth no good thing," (Romans 7:18) is the confession of Paul and of every Christian who knows his own heart. Pride, love of applause, and their counterparts, unwillingness to bear shame and reproach, these are the germs of unionism. And they are found in every human heart."

"As we love our church, let us so teach our people so that they will fear the contagion of error as they would fear to breathe the air of a small-pox hospital. Let us exhibit to them the damnableness of false doctrine. Let us preach Luther on this point, who saw only the work of Satan in every deviation from the truth of Scripture. If our people learn to recognize every false doctrine as a snare of the devil, spread to catch victims for hell, they will not need to be held with a rein lest they stampede into unionism." (source)
But I thought False doctrine "isn't spread by casual contact?"  I thought for sure certain teachers weren't corruptible?

March 22, 2011

Congratulations are in order for Ken Ham!

A few days ago I read this excellent blog piece by Answers In Genesis founder Ken Ham.

Another Compromiser -- Speaking at Homeschool Conventions

This was a breath of fresh air.  Why was no one willing to do anything like this when John Piper invited Rick Warren to Desiring God?

Oh... this is why:

Kicked Out of Two Homeschool Conferences
Answers in Genesis, recognized as one of the strongest advocates for homeschooling in America, has been kicked out of two homeschool conventions where AiG President Ken Ham had been scheduled to speak. In addition, AiG as an exhibitor has also been expelled. One of the conferences is being held in our “backyard”: at the Cincinnati Convention Center.

So why has AiG been disinvited from the “Great Homeschool Conventions” (March 31–April 2 in Cincinnati) and also near Philadelphia (June 23–25)? Have the organizers accused AiG of promoting anti-biblical teaching and thus have voided its contract with us?
Read the rest at http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/03/22/kicked-out-homeschool-conferences

Martin Bashir a bridger?

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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Saw that a few foolish people were making the joke that Martin Bashir is now a 'bridger' because he interviewed, shook hands with Rob Bell, etc.
Person A: FYI: msncs's Martin Bashir is a member of Redeemer Presbyterian in NYC (from a friend/pastor at said church).
Person B: He's a bridger because he had a conversation with a heretic, admitted to shaking his hand and the purpose of the interview was to sell Bell's book. It doesn't matter what Bashir actually said, he's clearly compromised and lent his credibility to a heretic.
Person A: That's right! I guess that makes me a bridger for bringing it up. I've earned Ms. Schlueter's ire.
So how could anyone even make a working joke that Martin Bashir was cooperating with and promoting Rob Bell?  A joke has to have some element of truth to it to work.  You take the truth and twist it cockeyed to make people think of it a new way.  That is humor.  But you have to have a recognizable core of truth, otherwise it is just not even funny.  It flops, unless you bought the original straw man propped up by Person B, months ago, as being the truth.

1. Bashir isn't running a Christian talk show or Christian conference/worship service.  And even if he was:

2. He is actively UNDERMINING and backing Bell into a corner in the interview.

Would that Dr. Horton had done that at Saddleback! If men of God were willing to do what Bashir did in front of false teachers, I would rejoice that they go. But if they don't have the fortitude to do it in no uncertain terms.

False teachers do not generally invite the bold men of God, those who will correct their false teaching plainly, to their conferences.  They don't do it, because they "...will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." 2 Tim 4:3

Ingrid's clarification to her original post

This is the clarification Ingrid had added at the top of her original post.  I don't think it needed clarification, but because her attackers have blown so much smoke and distorted her argument so atrociously, I guess it is understandable that she felt the need to do this.
I’d like to clarify one final time exactly what this post represents. I have said this already over the last 2 days in the comment section, but some have apparently neglected to read it or have chosen to ignore it.This photo is not about Michael Horton being a heretic or a false teacher, two things I have never called him. I am grateful for his early work, in particular, which opened my eyes to the evangelical disaster. This photo is about Rick Warren making full use of otherwise sound teachers for public relations purposes. Warren craves two things, credibility and influence. He has worked tirelessly to gain both in nearly every sphere of religion in America, and the Reformed world is no exception. This photograph “says it all.” As Michael Horton, well-intentioned as he was, having just spoken good and true things at Warren’s conference, agrees to be photographed with his arm around one of the greatest spiritual wolves of our day, a bust of Calvin between them, I maintain without hesitation that this photo visually demonstrates what Warren is doing in the Reformed world. This photograph is about Warren’s agenda, not Horton’s intentions or beliefs.

March 21, 2011

So what's with Dan Kimball, Alan & Deb Hirsch, and homosexuality?

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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This sounds suspicious...
http://vintagechurch.org/2010.11.07.message.html
Going to listen to the audio there now. This occurred immediately before Kimballgate.

Alan tweets to same article glowingly
http://twitter.com/#!/alanhirsch/status/3099231178981376

here's an article by alan hirsch about homosexuals and kids

Andrew Marin interviews Alan Hirsch
http://www.loveisanorientation.com/2010/andrew-interviews-alan-hirsch/

Horrible interview... But that's the kind of guy Dan Kimball thinks is great?

Is Dan Kimball EmergING or EmergENT?

So is Dan emergENT or emergING?

I thought this was one of his big deals?  that EmergING was more orthodox and split off from EmergENT?  Now I'm gonna have to go back and listen to that interview yet another time.  (grumble grumble).

Dan's going to be speaking with Dallas Willard and Shane Claiborne.  Yeah this is being billed as "speakers from varied Christian backgrounds and experiences."  Right.

http://www.hiu.edu/speakers/

HIU is pleased to announce its new Speaker Series: Voices of Christian Thought. Esteemed speakers from varied Christian backgrounds and experiences will be brought in each semester to deliver fresh perspective to the campus community. We will hear from Christian theologians, activists, best-selling authors, professors, and ethicists. These speakers will provide a dynamic learning experience and are sure to inspire and challenge our community to live lives more fully committed to God.
The speakers will be presenting in Chapel as well as a number of classroom presentations which will allow students to interact with them on a more intimate level. The Speaker Series is open to the public. For more information please contact Dr. Joe Grana at (714) 879-3901 ext. 1285 or email to jgrana@hiu.edu.



March 19, 2011

Chris backs out...

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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Apparently Jason has gotten Chris's final "thanks but no thanks" in response to his offer to discuss this publicly, one on one, without the distraction of everyone else commenting.

You can read it here:
Chris Gets the Last Word
Jason,


I have real heretics and real false teachers that I need to spend my time warning the church about. I've already publicly laid out what the Biblical doctrine of Unity and Separation is on my radio program and I stand by that teaching.
So, looks like Chris has better things to do with his time than respond to an offer to reconcile or at least reach an understanding with people he's offended.  Only if it will fit into the space of a phone call apparently.  The work of real reconciliation is just too hard.

And of course, it's much easier to warn people about William Tapley (aka Third Eagle of the Apocalypse).  Because without Chris, none of us would be able to figure out that he's goofy.  But that's right, Chris likes to stick with picking the low hanging bananas... er... fruit.  It's simply just not as amusing to analyze a Jon Falwell sermon.  Because he's pretty normal and everyone thinks his message is just fine.

March 17, 2011

For What Fellowship Hath Light With Darkness?

Bad Company Corrupts Good Character
(a short Bible Q&A with John Macarthur)
"We very easily allow ourselves to fall into relationships that are bad, that can be very corrupting. This I think is a very important word from the Lord to the church, to believers in the church, not that the church in a corporate sense is going to make an alliance with some corrupt entity, but rather that believers, sometimes even in their desire to reach unbelievers, can become way too familiar with the behavior of those unbelievers, way too comfortable with the behavior of those unbelievers, and very often in the name of love, way too accepting of sinful behavior. While endeavoring to snatch unbelievers like brands from the burning, we have to remember that we want to be careful so that we don't get singed in the process, and that's a delicate balance. We all need to be careful of the friends that we make and make sure that we're surrounded by the godly, because they lead us in the paths of righteousness."
from the article:

March 15, 2011

R C Sproul on the myth of bridge building... er... influence [ADDED podcast link]

I was sent some good stuff by R C Sproul this morning which got me googling for some writings of W Robert Godfrey.

[added]
Robert Godfrey recently made an appearance on Westminster Seminary's Office Hours
An excellent podcast.

an article here by Godfrey:
The Myth of Influence
http://wscal.edu/resource-center/resource/the-myth-of-influence

some snippets from this excellent post by Godfrey (all emphases added):
For a long time, I have felt that the cause of biblical Christianity has been undermined in our time by sincere people who engage in unbiblical activities for the sake of being an influence. The sad and ironic result of those actions has been harm to the cause of Christ and little or no good influence has actually occurred. The myth of influence seduces Christians into believing that by compromising important theological truths more people can be influenced for Christ.
Now I am not opposed to the idea of trying to be an influence. The Christian community should not isolate itself from discussion with anyone or from common action with non-Christians where the faith is not compromised. Christians should hope, pray, and work to be a godly influence wherever they can in this world. Christians need to recognize that certain kinds of compromise can be appropriate. Christians and non-Christians can unite to oppose abortion, for example. And Baptists, Reformed, and Lutherans can join the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals to promote some basic truths of the Reformation.

March 14, 2011

Does Facebook make us miserable?

A couple more laments about social media popped up today. Sometimes I wonder if these are more than just coincidence.

Not many of you should presume to be bloggers:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/marchweb-only/bloggers.html

On the whole a good article although it doesn't really go into any practical detail of how you ought to go about assessing whether you yourself should be out there publishing your thoughts on a blog. I'm not sure anyone would live up to the standard. Since it is not church, but effectively it is more like the 'media' or the 'press' toward the beginning of the country when people were publishing criticisms of King George under pseudonyms, it cannot possibly be as strict as the standards for teaching in church (which in all too many churches are pretty lax anyway).

March 13, 2011

Jason and Chris are going to try to come to some sort of understanding

Or are they?

Well anyway, as a result of all this infighting, Jason made a proposal to Chris that they discuss this publicly and without comment from anyone else, to see if some sort of resolution can take place.

I would encourage everyone to follow this as it develops. I for one would be glad to try and rein in any further posting on this and watch this develop, if it happens at all.

Part 1 "Hi, Chris"
(the proposal is toward the bottom, but the rest of the post is good too)

part 2 "So did Ingrid Cal Dr Horton a Bridger or Not?

part 3 "Deciding Ground Rules"

part 4 "It Seems This Won't Happen After All"

So Who Else *is* Speaking At Desiring God 2011?

UPDATE: FEELING STUPID. Well I guess I had not realized that Regional Conferences only had one speaker... John himself. My bad! Apologies to all. Leaving this post up for evidence of my stupidity.

But there doesn't seem to be much info yet about the fall National conference. Will be interesting to see that unfold. I don't know how far ahead these things are normally decided/announced.

However,
http://saddleback.com/newsandevents/eventcalendar/
Go to the pulldown menu and select "lake forest" which is the campus DG is slated to be on, and the entire month of april has no mention of DG. An oversight?

ORIGINAL POST OF STUPIDITY:

2011 Regional Conference - Lake Forest


Does anyone have any idea who is slated to speak at Saddleback for the Desiring God Regional Conference in April 2011, other than John Piper? Why are there no other names attached to this event yet? Seems awfully strange, a little over a month away, that no names are being listed.

Wonder what's going on.

tick tock...

March 12, 2011

Chris Rosebrough disses James White and Robert Sungenis (3-13-11 FURTHER UPDATE AND CLARIFICATION)

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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UPDATE 3-12-11  I was recently informed that Chris says he was mortified over all this:
Chris Rosebrough ​@Julia - I'll let you in on a secret. I didn't want Ingrid to take her blog down. I wish she hadn't. What I really want her to do is own up, repent and be forgiven. Not too long ago I made an off the cuff remark that sounded like I was dissing Dr. James White. I didn't intend the comment as a dis. When it was brought to my attention I was mortified. I immediately contacted Dr. White and apologized and I apologized publicly on my radio program. That's what Ingrid really needs to be doing rather than trying to justify her irresponsible mishandling of that photo.
Now I don't know about you, but if you read through his emails below, that sounds nothing like 'mortified.'  It sounds like 'embarrassed and resentful that anyone dared point out his mistake and make the only reasonable inference from it.'

My interpretation was completely correct, including the context that Chris's ability to analyze an argument these days seems to be slipping dramatically.  Many would say it was only passing fair to begin with.  Couple that with the fact that the podcast here in question was in front of an audience that is typically hostile to the sort of teachers James White represents, and Chris's coddling of such emergent compromisers, I simply could not come to any other conclusion than that Chris had decided to toss them a bone in the form of slighting or dissing James White's approach.

March 11, 2011

Some photos that say what discerning people think

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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Some photos that say what discerning people think...as opposed to the general public who tend to think the opposite.

I love Michael Horton.  I really do. I love to listen to the White Horse Inn.  But I do not love Lausanne because of its ecumenicism, and I do not like Acts 29.  I do not like Lausanne allowing women in ministry and saying that we can "agree to disagree" on that one.

Anyway, thought I would share some photos that have surfaced with new captions from friends the last few days.  I have heard numerous people who have no knowledge of the situation assume that Horton must be in agreement with Rick Warren based on this photo.  This is not unreasonable and people NEED to keep this in mind.  That is why we are warned in Scripture not to associate with one who calls himself brother but does not preach Christ or lives in open sin.

A picture from this morning from 5pt salt.

A comment about this photo when it was in it original non-captioned state:

March 10, 2011

Guilt By Association or Straw Man?

Trying to discredit a man's argument by pointing out his associations would indeed be a Guilt By Association logical fallacy.  However, as a Christian, pointing out that his associations with heretics and compromisers are unwise and lend credibility to the message of the heretics and compromisers is NOT a logical fallacy.

It is not a fallacy to point out the foolishness of lending credibility to false teachers for this very reason: *BECAUSE* PEOPLE as a rule have a tendency to think illogically about associations. i.e. Horton, a sound biblical teacher, doesn’t speak against Warren clearly so Warren must be not so bad. It’s just the facts of life.  We work with it.  It's just the understandable shortcoming of human communication.  I agree it is impossible to stop people from thinking irrationally in all cases, but what have we got to lose by just refusing to associate with heretics?  Status, perhaps?  We want to look big and welcoming and have the praise of men?  Sometimes.  When we have to say no, we look narrow minded, and we don't want to be given that label.

I would also contend that it sounds from what Horton has said publicly about Warren, that Horton doesn't actually consider Warren a heretic, as Chris does.  This is another problem that figures into his being seen with him, and strangely enough, Chris has not mentioned anything about this.

I agree there are certain levels in which we can work with people of different mindsets.  Ingrid does too.  But everyone has a different threshold for cooperation, because we are all imperfect.  Warnings against cooperation are a lot like warnings that you shouldn't be seen alone with a woman not your spouse.  Why? Because of the message it conveys.  It doesn't mean you or the warn-er hate or reject that woman or that they hate or reject you, nor does it mean that they are calling you an adulterer.

How many people have seen men unintentionally respond to a flirtatious woman?  Neither one of them have to have any ulterior motive for this to be seen as improper and to make people uncomfortable.  They both just have to be naive as to how it looks.

As far as the "bridger" concept goes:
"For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."...
..."These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever." --Jude 4,12,13

Kirk Bookmyer: Possessed by God?

UPDATE:  Kirk Bookmyer has really gone off the deep end.  He has become notorious on FB and even has a closed group now devoted to exposing his insanity.  Pretty impressive.

He said recently to someone "Even now you are not talking to Kirk you are talking to GOD! Kirk is nothing. " and to Jim McClarty "Oh, and if God wants your daughter to be publicly ATTACKED she will be ripped to shreds...."

Here is what he is attacking McClarty for:

Yup you got it... because she "liked" some secular artists on FB.

Here is a list detailing his insanity in black and white:

Unfortunately someone near this man ought to look into having him committed.  I fear for him and those around him.

March 9, 2011

Wayne Grudem: "Rick Warren is advancing the work of the Kingdom of God"

Good grief not another one stepping into the Rick Warren cowpie.

http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/05/wayne-grudem-on-the-atonement-unity-rick-warren-and-john-piper/
4:53 AW "how do you go about choosing who you want to be associated with, who you're gonna do sessions... do you wanna ... you know there's been a lot of controversy about things like that, you know, you may have seen some of the arguments about, I don't know for example 'Was Piper right to invite Rick Warren that sort of thing..."
Laughing
WG "Sure"
Both laughing
AW "Is that sure he was right or sure you've seen it"
still laughing
WG "Well it's his conference. Who am I to criticize. But.. you know the other thing I thought was Rick Warren is surely advancing the work of the Kingdom of God, um, and I don't think... I don't even know if there are areas in which Rick Warren would teach things that I differ with. I don't know enough about what he believes."

March 7, 2011

Contending.org's Steve Svendsen still after Bob DeWaay

[ADDENDUM: ok Keith Jentoft, as if I should listen to him, told me I was wrong about what he said in the hospital room, but as I recall the letter from TCF it is pretty much identical. He did say some pretty insensitive things and later went online telling everyone he believes Bob isn't/wasn't saved but a false convert.  That is all documented online, as Keith repeated those two things at Phoenix Preacher (website now down, link to web archived page) (link to pdf copy) and was roundly rebuked even by those who don't like Bob.

I also told him I had changed the post as much as I was going to, but I had a change of heart.  Not because of Keith, but because of accuracy, which he also appealed to, and simply because I wasn't there in the room.  Fine.

Ingrid's original post (for reference)

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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I wanted to look back at what Ingrid wrote, to see if she had said all the things that Chris originally attributed to her.  So I found the google cache of the original


A Photo Says it All…And So Does Twitter

The seduction of the “Reformed” camp by Rick Warren continues apace. The Tweet in the photo is by Steve Camp, a man who spent  a number of years exposing the Purpose-Driven false gospel only to doa 180-degree turnaround recently. The photo is Reformed author and leader Michael Horton with his arm around Rick Warren, a statue of John Calvin between them.

March 4, 2011

Come Mistah Tally Man Tally Me Banana...

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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Well I held my nose and listened to the latest edition of Browbeating for the Faith with Chris Rosebrough.

I am sure he'll have the podcast up soon, but it has been known at least once to change from the streamed version to the podcast version so there's what went out last night at 5 Central time.

It sounds in places as if he is being nice and chummy and affable as usual, in spite of his threats and false accusations behind the scenes. This is becoming an alarming pattern. I refuse to talk to this sort of irrational person in private any longer, as I had made known back in December when he accused me of being unwilling to work it out with him or that I had never tried to contact him, or was avoiding him, or something silly like that.

Pirate Cannons, Reloaded

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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Before I begin, just let me say that I hope to wake up and find this has all been just a very strange, bad dream brought on by too much pizza late at night.

Since Chris went public with his latest unfounded attack on Ingrid, I am taking the opportunity to fill you in on what is going on. Many have accused me of just being divisive, having a screw loose, having no face left to save, jumping to conclusions, yadda yadda, without themselves having hardly any of the facts, or while being unwilling to actually LOOK into the facts to see if my complaint is warranted... lest they be participating in gossip. Even the pharisees had to risk breaking their cleanliness rules to assist the man beaten and left for dead on the road. Oh that's right... they didn't.

Now, All of this is very grievous to me. People may read snark in what I write but it is written out of exasperation. I would rather there was nothing for me to use hyperbole, irony, or sarcasm for. I wish everyone made sense to me, (I realize I am not perfect) and that there was complete Unity in the faith, but wishing does not make it so.

An Example of What Passes For "Reaching Out" To Heretics

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(note as of 2-24-2015: I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  On 9-2013 there was an update on the Ingrid/ChrisR situation - please go here: http://www.purposedrivel.com/2013/09/a-great-announcement.html  Ingrid and Chris had reconciled.  This was a good thing.  We were all friends again.)

 Further update here:
http://www.purposedrivel.com/2015/02/tullian-and-nadia-birds-of-feather.html
I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations. I apologize for all the confusion.  I pray it won't happen again.)
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I am no longer a Pirate Christian supporter.  Too much hypocrisy, too many double standards, too many false accusations.)



Chris Rosebrough
@ Jesus' bronze aged member is still circumcised today and He will reign as KING forever.


If you want to see the context of the twitter conversation here it is as best I can piece it together. The most respectable person in this conversation is Gene Anderson. I tracked it backwards from here for a ways but didn't include it. At the tail end of that conversation is where the discussion about Jesus' 'member' seems to start but from there on it is no longer Chris and Gene, but Chris Rosebrough and John Harrison (aka "tragic pizza"). I think this qualfies Chris to be the next bad boy invited to Desiring God. Maybe Driscoll will invite him to his next Acts 29 event, being as he's so hip and relevant.