May 22, 2011

Maturity Challenge wasn't enough, Rick Warren now issuing Bible Knowledge challenge

[WARREN:] Most people don't know that Saddleback has a 72-week systematic theology course that is required for every small group member and every staff member. And I've had over 15,000 people go through this 72-week systematic study. I would take doctrinal knowledge of any 500 Saddleback members and compare it to any 500 members of any other church and we'd beat them.

[PIPER]: I've heard you say that. (source)
No, John, you haven't heard him say that unless he's said it privately.  What he did say publicly was

"I challenge any church in America to match the spiritual maturity, godliness & commitment of any 500 members of Saddleback" (source)
(note, at the source link there, even the atheists thought this was arrogant. And the original tweet has been removed once people pointed out how seriously arrogant this was, but make no mistake, Rick Warren has not repented for it.) Here is Daniel Chew's article on the tweet, complete with screen shot of the original.

Recall that he explained the deletion of the tweet very defensively and self righteously:
"I delete tweets when people misjudge motive. It's a waste of time to blog a full explanation to those who want to argue"
Good one Rick. I bet we can dig up a tweet or two you have made about people who are defensive, or about not admitting blame, or passing off blame to someone else, couldn't we?

Well it's not twitter, but here's a whole article:
"Fix relationships, not blame"

I guess it was too much of a waste of time to fix the relationship with those who 'misjudged motive' here.

(UPDATE ADDED 5-26-11)
For a taste of Saddleback's "systematic theology course" taught mostly by Kay Warren, go here for their "Foundations" study course: