December 24, 2011

Tullian Tchividjian and Elyse Fitzpatrick looking for Mr Antinomian

(note 6-22-2015): I have since come to the conviction that even though I don't believe all the critiques of Tullian are fair, they do have some good points. Tullian's message has been going off the rails for a while and his associations and messages are getting more vague.  He seems to have gone from assuming the gospel to assuming the law.)

Additional NOTE 3-14-2016

I have since come to realize that there are definitely problems with soft antinomianism going on in the church today. I wrote the original post here while still not seeing that problem. There certainly is a problem with hammering the law too heavily as well. But that isn't what I'm seeing in my circles at the moment.


original post:

Truly a wonderful read, an open letter to Mr Antinomian by Elyse Fitzpatrick. It's short and light, with an intro by Tullian Tchividjian.  Enjoy!

Dear Mr. Antinomian
"There seems to be a fear out there that the preaching of radical grace produces serial killers. "
Read more here

December 20, 2011

Just found the perfect Tshirt!

NOTE 3-14-2016

I have since come to realize that there are definitely problems with soft antinomianism going on in the church today. I wrote the original post here while still not seeing that problem. There certainly is a problem with hammering the law too heavily as well. But that isn't what I'm seeing in my circles at the moment.

Original post follows:

From Rod Rosenbladt's son's store:
"Weak on Sanctification Tshirt"
Lutherans often get accused of having no doctrine of sanctification.

As hard as it is to believe, some would rather focus on their good works rather than on what Christ has done for them, putting the cart before the horse, as it were.

To this the true Lutherans have always confessed that good works are the fruit of their salvation and that Saint Paul strongly encourages us to look to Christ, rather to our good works.
read more here
The description there is a wonderful read, a great blog post in itself!

Sure to be a great conversation starter at family gatherings, especially if your family gatherings contain those who think it is possible to spend too much time thinking about what Jesus has done for us.

December 7, 2011

"I'm certain I'm going to heaven because I can't remember a single good work I have done."

I just happened across this excellent article by Tullian, which he had tweeted a few hours ago:

It quotes another favorite of mine, Todd Wilken of the online radio show "Issues, Etc."

“Many pulpits across the land consistently preach the Christian and not the Christ.” Todd Wilken

So true. So very true. I am self centered enough. I don't need to hear about myself from the pulpit unless it is to remind me that I am really quite spiritually bankrupt and destitute.

Here's the article:

The Gift Of Self-Forgetfulness


December 6, 2011

Mortify sin already! Or forfeit the name of Christ!

No, really I did see someone say almost exactly that today.  Someone who considers himself to be a pastor/teacher and online blogger.  His exact words were:

"Mortify sin, or stop calling yourself a Christian."

I have to wonder exactly what Bible these guys are reading.  I told him I think it's this one:
"for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do."

In the course of this back and forth he informed me that Jesus is not going to obey the New Testament for me.  Huh.  The way most Reformational Christians read the Bible, they find that Jesus DID obey the entirety of the law in my stead. Not only did he expiate, he propitiated.

So, as Jesus said, it is FINISHED. Τετέλεσται


I'm not going to argue with Jesus on that anymore.

November 27, 2011

White Horse Inn: Repentance and Personal Transformation

NOTE 3-14-2016

I have since come to realize that there are definitely problems with soft antinomianism going on in the church today. I wrote the original post here while still not seeing that problem. There certainly is a problem with hammering the law too heavily as well. But that isn't what I'm seeing in my circles at the moment.

Original post follows:

The White Horse Inn guys tackle the issue of whether we ought to expect life transformation from repentance. Contrast this with Jay Adams' approach of using the law/getting on the rat wheel of making yourself more holy and obedient. Super job, men.

Repentance and Personal Transformation

When I read things that promote the law-driven sanctification approach I think those who use it must have some kind of high view of their own ability to do good, and a deficient view of their own sin nature. Frankly, I am so sinful that I can't even accurately know where or how to begin making myself more obedient. Over time, God has done a better job mortifying my sin than I ever could through my own conscious effort, dealing with the issue that I happen to think is most important.

That is not to say I don't try. But I too often get it wrong. The things I see wrong in my life are not what my neighbor sees. And the things both my neighbor and I see are not what God sees as the thing which ought to be dealt with next.

So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.  Romans 7:21-25

November 16, 2011

Harry Potter Bible Study released

The Harry Potter Bible Study Has Been Released: Where Can You Buy It? | SBC Voices


Um. Yeah. Just in case you wanted another heaping helping of apostasy, some in the Southern Baptist Convention are ready and willing to help you out.

Skimming through a few of the other articles at Jared Moore's blog there, (I wonder if he is related to Russell D. Moore...) this doesn't seem to be an anomaly. Sad.

November 1, 2011

Surph Side weighs on in on the Evangelical Pope's gag order for Discernment Divas

Denise over at Surph's Side has made some very astute observations regarding Phil Johnson's screed against the discerning women that he doesn't like. It's a long post but worth getting through.

The Gag Order on Discerning Women Bloggers
And here MacArthur states:
“If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home. The implication is present in this statement that certain women were out of order in asking questions in the church service. If they desired to learn, the church was no place for them to express their questions in a disruptive way. Paul also implies, of course, that Christian husbands should be well taught in the Word. Many women are tempted to go beyond their biblical roles because of frustration with Christian men, often including their own husbands, who do not responsibly fulfill the leadership assignments God has given them. But God has established the proper order and relationship of male–female roles in the church, and they are not to be transgressed for any reason. For a woman to take on a man’s role because he has neglected it merely compounds the problem. It is not possible for a woman to substitute for a man in such things. God often has led women to do work that men have refused to do, but He does not lead them to accomplish that work through roles He has restricted to men.

October 30, 2011

Wow! Harold Camping Repents!

Some good news for a change:

Family Radio Founder Harold Camping Repents, Apologizes for False Teachings


With his speech sounding somewhat slurred and labored, Family Radio Stations Inc. founder and chairman Harold Camping sought to address in a recent message why Christ failed to return on Oct. 21 as the Bible teacher had predicted. Camping confessed, after decades of falsely misleading his followers, that he was wrong and regrets his misdeeds.

read more at Christian Post

October 25, 2011

The Monstrous Regiment of Passive Aggressive Girly-Men





Phil Johnson has whined about women:
The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Discernment Divas


I knew we should never have taught women how to read... (thank diva Marusha for that line)

Good grief, this is rich, comparing female discernment bloggers to  queens like Bloody Mary. Hyperbolize much Phil? Use inflammatory, snippy, insulting language much Phil?

The part about women begins at about 25:00.

October 16, 2011

Jay Adams (Nouthetic.org) doesn't seem to like Gospel Sanctification


NOTE 3-14-2016

I have since come to realize that there are definitely problems with soft antinomianism going on in the church today.  I wrote the original post here while still not seeing that problem. There certainly is a problem with hammering the law too heavily as well. But that isn't what I'm seeing in my circles at the moment.

Original post follows:



Contrast this
White Horse Inn - Give Them Grace
"Is sound theology only for people who have their act together? How is the gospel of free justification relevant to people who struggle with utterly broken lives? Michael Horton discusses this issue with Elyse Fitzpatrick, coauthor of Counsel from the Cross: Connecting Broken People to the Love of Christ."

(The audio seems broken at the moment, but try this one, it works currently
White Horse Inn - Give Them Grace (on OnePlace))

Contrast the above with the articles from Nouthetic.org on "Gospel Sanctification" (referred to in one of the articles as "Gospel Sanctification propaganda" which some of the "big guns" are promoting.

Nouthetic.org's category of posts for "Gospel Sanctification"

I quote from Jay Adams on "Preaching The Gospel To Yourself"
Such ideas as going deeper into the Gospel and that the Gospel is the means of sanctification, all bundled up together with a half dozen other such statements can be found—not in some backward-thinking, offbeat fundamentalist weirdo church—but in the preaching and writings of a number of big guns as well!
I mean you would EXPECT only some backward-thinking, offbeat fundamentalist weirdo church to be gospel centric right?  Yeah.   Like Westboro Baptist!  They're all about the gospel!

October 13, 2011

Secondary Separation - an article by Daniel Chew

In light of the rampant confusion on this issue, which has caused some pretty big blowups over the last couple years.  It is extremely ironic that it ends up separating friends, usually because the ones who don't actually hold to 'secondary separation' end up publicly attacking those who do and who go about trying to make a Biblical case for it.  So in light of the recent events in Chicago and James Macdonald's agenda with the Elephant Room, it might be good to return to a great article written by Daniel Chew about a year and a half ago.

Piper, Warren and the Doctrine of Separation
I have previously written an article on the doctrine of separation, which is indeed commanded biblically as per 2 Jn. 9-11. Those who refuse to separate from heretics are reckoned as being partakers of their evil deeds. As I have said on the issue of secondary separation:

October 12, 2011

"10 Years Later, Frank Turk Gets a Clue."

That title was quipped by a MALE Systematic theology high school prof. So it wasn't the mean nasty WOMAN blogger that thought it up.

I was originally going to title it "Frank Turk begins to doubt Rick Warren" but this guy's idea is far superior.  I hope he won't mind me swiping it. (smile) Thanks man, you're brilliant.

Anyway, Frank Turk posted this morning:
An Open Letter to Chris Rosebrough

Another friend (yes, this time a woman, for shame!) said, with the implication that because Frank has pronounced it so: "Rick Warren is officially aberrant now."

So this kind of behavior from Warren/Macdonald is a new revelation to him? These guys and all their fawning followers, who are the first to play the pharisee card if you should question their beloved leaders, have been doing this for as long as I have been watching, at least 7 years.

October 11, 2011

Matt Chandler, Calvinist Mystic, doesn't believe in Sola Scriptura? (UPDATED)

originally published 11-20-10 11:10 PM - updated today:

The first video here by Bob Hamp, entitled "Hearing from God"
http://gatewaypeople.com/ministries/freedom-kairos/media
is about 'hearing' directly from God (contemplative prayer) and receiving personal instructions from God and participating in automatic writing - is about him and "his friend" Matt Chandler. Yes, as much as I have loved some of his messages, it seems he is a mystic and as such does not believe in Sola Scriptura. He never names Matt, but Matt has his version of the story here:

TheHopeToWhichWeveBeenCalled.pdf

The story is dated from 2003. If Matt no longer believes we should hear directly from God, and has returned to Sola Scriptura, then why is this story still up?

Mormonism in the news again

Becki over at Latter Day Saint Woman posts this great reminder:

The Gift of Eternal Life is Truly a Gift! You Can’t Earn or Qualify for it through Obedience


I posted this comment which I figured I should turn into a blog post (with a few links added at the end):

**********************

It has been interesting to see the kerfuffle that Romney’s candidacy has caused yet again. So many Christians are unwilling to call a spade a spade, so that their political chances are not damaged. Herman Cain has been honest at least by refusing to answer the question.

October 8, 2011

James Macdonald apologizes, sorta

Humble Pie- A Hearty Meal (his title)
http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9292

Something still not right about this. He's actually acknowledging the main point of that really stupid article from World Mag about the racism inherent in Macdonald's decision to invite Jakes. As if that was even part of the issue. And...his clarity was not the issue either. This strikes me as a dodge. It seems to me he still doesn't get it. I hope I am wrong.

October 7, 2011

Ingrid responds to Brannon's statement

Ingrid has withdrawn the post out of discouragement at being ignored in her call to repentance from Brannon and Vic. I can hardly blame her.  Being let down and lied about by people who are very important in your life can really feel like a kick in the teeth.  I felt it was important for those seeking the truth to know the dynamics of what was going on so it is remaining up here, since Brannon is now claiming that people are posting 'lies' about him, when actually he is the one lying.

original source link was:



*Note 10/9/11: This post was put up in direct response to Brannon's Facebook statement and the confusion generated by what he is telling others in private emails when questioned about the disappearance of my work from his website. I am publicly calling on Brannon to resolve this matter in a way that would set an example for other believers who are witnessing a total disinterest in reconciliation on the part of believers they once admired. My request for a resolution of this matter in Christian love was discarded two weeks ago, but I repeat my offer to talk with Brannon, involving pastoral help if needed to fix this. What we say about God when we refuse reconciliation is that He is impotent and that His Word is a lie.*

Brannon explains why he removed Ingrid's posts

Ok so in light of the Wretched announcement about parting ways with Brannon, people were ripping Wretched up one side and down another for their betrayal of a friend.  I made several comments to the effect that Brannon is not innocent of the same charge and asked people to try and figure out where Ingrid Schlueter's articles went.  It seems he's gotten some emails because yesterday he posted this:
‎"Several weeks ago,Worldview Weekend quietly pulled the articles of a long-standing columnist. We did so for a few reasons that include our objection to how this individual was publicly handling a private dispute with another Christian. No one asked us or pressured us to pull this individual's columns. We desired to keep this issue private in order to preserve this individual's testimony for future ministry. However, this individual and a couple of their friends have taken this issue public because they disagree with our decision. Some of the friends of this individual have now gone to facebook pages stating that someone pressured us to pull this columnist and making other comments that fall into the category of bearing false witness. We have asked them to stop bearing false witness but it still continues. Due to several e-mails about this from different individuals it has forced us to put out this statement . Thank you for your continued prayers and support. We need your prayers more than ever as it seems that a day does not go by without a spiritual attack." ~Brannon Howse
Source link

Alternate source link

Ok, point by point:
"We did so for a few reasons that include our objection to how this individual was publicly handling a private dispute with another Christian."

October 6, 2011

Rick Warren applauds James Macdonald for courting heresy

Well, should anyone be surprised...

A Tweet Rick Warren will Regret


http://twitter.com/#!/RickWarren/status/121789675596816384

Rick Warren 
Proud of . It takes COURAGE to build bridges of understanding. Anyone can build walls. 
19 hours ago via web 

Curiouser and Curiouser....

World Magazine author misses the Elephant in the Room

Seriously... this has to be the worst case of "missing the point" EVER regarding the Elephant Room situation:
http://online.worldmag.com/2011/10/05/elephant-room-invite-undermines-black-evangelicals

Excuse me, but, who cares about skin color? This was the FURTHEST thing from my mind. Why is it ok to make this about skin color? Why did World Mag publish this?

This author at Worldmag is entirely missing the point. He should not be using such a poorly reasoned weak argument to criticize Macdonald. A friend of mine commented:
“it is racist to assume that any controversy or issue involving a black person, is caused by racism. It is as if the person making the claim is saying; “I can’t help noticing you’re black. All this must be happening because of that.””
The problem with using such a weak argument against someone like this: THIS is the one that Macdonald will now focus on, because he’s unable to defend the other.

October 5, 2011

A picture says a thousand words...

Joel Osteen recently appeared with Piers Morgan on CNN:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/04/pmt.01.html

MORGAN: Could you -- could you in your position actually actively encourage people to go through a same-sex marriage? Could you be seen to do -- could you be photographed at such an event?

J. OLSTEEN: Well, I would not...

MORGAN: Would that cause you problems.

J. OLSTEEN: Well, you know, there's -- it's such a hypothetical and I'm talking about...

MORGAN: Well, not really because you said lots of gay people go to your church so it might happen.

J. OLSTEEN: Well, I haven't been to many weddings lately to begin with and I'm talking about somebody that was, you know, dear to us. I'm not going to disrespect somebody that's dear to us and say, you know what, you're not good enough for us or something like that. That's the way that I would see it. Now, I'm not going to just run off and go attend, you know, certain marriages just to make a statement because that's not who I am and that's not what I stand for and, again, I don't look down on those people.

Although Joel did not directly answer the photograph question, the implication remains that apparently to the public, a picture really DOES say a thousand words about someone's associations and endorsements. Or at least, he seems to believe it says more than these words here on the page at CNN do. You can hem and haw verbally about gay marriage on national television, but hey, if we get a photograph at a gay wedding...

It's reality, folks... that's how messages are sent in today's society. Deal with it. I remember hearing a story about a particular prominent evangelical who refused to hug a female fan because of the chance someone could snap a picture. The reason was something along the lines of "one bad photo can really damage a ministry." (I can't verify who it was or the exact words, but if someone has an idea or source please let me know.)

Just an interesting note, the phrase "you know" appears about 141 times in the Joel Osteen section. Most of them are from Joel not as the proper subject and predicate of a sentence. Morgan says it about 15 of those times and in at least several of those, it is used as a normal subject and predicate. In the entire rest of the show it is used 7 times. It's really sad when a pastor speaks with the cadence and authority of a teenage girl.

Fixing The Indemnity (Carl Trueman)

Fixing the Indemnity


Carl Trueman has also weighed in on the Elephant Room controversy with some brilliant observations:
"One preliminary note, however, relates to the appeal not of Jakes but of the Furticks, Nobles and those who apparently like to be seen with them. To be blunt: why so much noise about Jakes when Furtick and Noble have already apparently been established in this Elephant Room circle for some time? Frankly, they hardly seem any closer to Paul's description of what an elder or overseer should be than the Bishop. Why all the hoohah and handwringing now about TD? Is it just because he is more notorious and thus harder to hide from public view? Are Furtick and Noble less well known and thus easier to ignore? Surely it is the same horse, just a different jockey, as one former colleague of mine used to say? Are people really surprised that someone comfortable with Furtick has no problem with Jakes? If they are, they should give me a call: I could do them a really good deal on the Brooklyn Bridge."

October 4, 2011

Mark Dever no longer speaking at the Elephant Room?

Speaker #3 – Mark Dever | The Elephant Room 
POOF GONE!



Now, is that secondary separation?  NO it is separation from a disobedient and divisive brother.

(Just let me set my stopwatch running here until the first accusatory article comes out "that's guilt by association!"  "secondary separation"!  "we'll all be separated from EVERYONE then!" yadda yadda.)

Let's hope it's not some kind of computer glitch or website error and that we can continue to rejoice that Mark Dever understands Biblical separation.  James Macdonald's blog still links to 9Marks ministries.

October 3, 2011

Mac Hammond links up with Michele Bachmann

Tevlin: Bachmann-Hammond: Just the ticket for our times

Not.  Have not been impressed with some of her association decisions.  Perhaps she wasn't catechized very well in her WELS church.  Sad.  Why is it usually the Christians with little to no discernment who get into politics?  (Well, maybe that's exactly why they get involved...)

As far as Bachmann hooking her wagon to Mac Hammond, or vice versa if you wish, I remember attending there when I was young and 'open minded' because my sister went there. There was at least once they had one of the Browne family in to conduct a 'laughing revival.'   I did attend one of those services.  (No, didn't get overcome with uncontrollable laughter, BUMMER!).  From what I recall, they do their 'carpet time' on a regular basis too, at least during the week. Unbeknownst to me my sister, having had my daughter over for the weekend, made my oldest, then-pre-K-age daughter go up and get 'slain in the spirit' despite her fearful protests. My daughter told me years after the fact (not realizing it had been wrong for my sister to do that) and I was annoyed but, knowing what I know now, the news didn't surprise me.

October 1, 2011

Jon McNaughton, Mormon artist being portrayed as "Christian" by conservatives

A lot of politically conservative Christians are passing this guy's stuff around as "Christian" art, not realizing he's a Mormon, and so he likely thinks the Constitution is inspired.




Check out the captions for mousing over certain religious figures here (enlarge the pic first)
Via Dolorosa
Especially Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc. (and others)

He painted this also:
One Nation Under God

American Family Association threatens other radio hosts over Brannon

American Family Association Targets Radio Hosts Over Association With Critic

While AFA's actions are shameful, it's foolhardy of Brannon to be throwing rocks from his glass house.  One commenter notes:


Brannon Needs to Clean Up His Own Speakers List
Brannon's been attacking The Response without mercy because so and so has spoken with this NAR person at their event or endorsed it. So why is HIS Worldview Weekend Speaker, Jimmy DeYoung, speaking at an NAR church in November in Wisconsin with a pastor who calls himself an "Apostle?" Why does Brannon use Jan Markell to speak for him when she endorsed the Day of Prayer for Jerusalem along with NAR Queen, Cindy Jacobs? Why is Marty Goetz singing for Brannon's conferences when he appeared on stage with the same Cindy Jacobs last fall and is appearing with Don Finto, an NAR guy that Brannon has already fingered publicly? Then there's Erwin Lutzer, Brannon's other big speaker, who appeared for THREE DAYS with James Robison, someone Brannon has fingered as a bad guy on his radio show.

Either clean up your own act, Brannon, or stop ranting about others and their affiliations. Otherwise it's just more hypocrisy.

Hmmm...  Curiouser and curiouser...  I would assume  that this particular speaker list must be public knowledge.  I will be doing some research to verify as I get some time...

September 26, 2011

Ergun Caner comes back in style

Ergun Caner tweeted on Sept 13


Source:
https://twitter.com/#!/erguncaner/status/113583042269937664

Yes, I would say gratuitous PDA's are just plain inappropriate. No extra value is given for the people's appearance, which is mighty shallow of him to judge anyway. And I would say talking publicly about one's 'hot' wife (which Caner has done many times) is equally inappropriate, especially from a pulpit. But then, we wouldn't expect much better from someone like Caner. He's made a career out of speaking lasciviously about women, including his own wife. But then, so have a lot of Young Restless and Reformed guys. We've all been fed this lie about Christians and hot sex, it's about time some of these Christians figure out marriage isn't all about having the hottest most adventurous sex.

Good grief there are so many Christian figures that frequently make me embarrassed to be known as a Christian. Maranatha, Lord, come quickly.

September 24, 2011

Where did Ingrid's articles go Brannon? (UPDATED X3)

Originally posted on 9/12/11  7:37 pm

Just noticed Ingrid Schlueter's articles and bio have all disappeared off of Worldview Weekend, as well as all the google cache copies.  Just the comments are left.  Just like the David Barton articles.   That's a pretty clean sweep.   She had some great articles.  People linked to those articles. So what is going on now?  All she's doing is mostly blogging about mom stuff since Spring.  Who's pulling strings?  What is going on?  Can anyone get an answer?

**********
UPDATE 9-14-2011  10:20 AM

Well apparently the stuff has hit the fan again.  Ingrid cannot seem to catch a break, but then when you are surrounded in your extended family and workplace with social/career climbers, user/abusers, that is not surprising.  Unfortunately the details coming out about Brannon's behavior and unforgiving nature here are such that I cannot imagine promoting him or his materials again until there is some sort of major repentance going on.  I don't know how that will look, because the web is so tangled.

Ingrid may not be perfect, but she is real.  She has suffered under a very difficult and abusive relationship  for over 40 years (so obviously it is not Tom!)  This ought to give people some grace for her.  She is finally becoming able to get out from under it, and as so often happens, the abuser is working his "magic," trying to punish her.  I can only imagine how oppressive that must be.  I have seen it so many times in alcoholic and dry drunk relationships.

September 21, 2011

God is whispering in Mark Driscoll's ear!

Wow. Just wow. Who knew Mark Driscoll was the next apostle? I thought Thomas Monson had that market cornered.


source

Joel Taylor has a brilliant analysis here, (I would agree up to the point where he says he enjoys Mark's ministry.   I have enjoyed some individual messages on books like 1 Peter, but on the whole, there's more to be worried about with Mark than not. It doesn't take much strychnine to ruin a good cup of coffee). And the phrase in the title is getting way overdone, thanks to Frank Turk, who has succeeded, in his campaign, in making the phrase "open letter" meaningless for the foreseeable future.  So, here it is:

5 Point Salt: An Open Letter to Mark Driscoll

September 15, 2011

Five Uninvited Guests (Cripplegate)

Five Uninvited Guests

So I’ve noticed that pretty much whenever somebody in the evangelical world negatively critiques somebody else in the evangelical world, a few bad arguments are sure to follow from folks who seem to be allergic to any sort of sharpening confrontation. Whether these arguments rear their well-worn, played-out, ugly heads in their own follow-up blog post or just in the comment threads of the original critique, we’re sure to be paid a visit from these uninvited rhetorical guests.

And here they are, and he is SO RIGHT.

The Call for Private Discussion
The Accusation of Disunity and Division
The Reverence of Form over Content
Free Pass by Association
The Pragmatic Argument

Please read more at
http://thecripplegate.com/five-uninvited-guests/

to find out what he means.

I would add that the "Free Pass by Association" is exactly why we are commanded not to associate with teachers who are in error, and to separate from the divisive brother who refuses to obey concerning this directive.

September 12, 2011

Christian Research Network addresses Caryl Matrisicana's anti Reformational screeds

This just in from  Justin Edwards over at Christian Research Network

The Lordship Salvation Controversy
Where Caryl Matrisciana sends out a newsletter with an article by a lady Brenda Nickel.  Justin Edwards critiques this article.

I would also point people to Caryl's anti Reformation publications about Calvinism/Reformed Theology which I posted about HERE.

I would guess this is the same Brenda from the "Brenda's Testimony - her 14 years in Calvinism."

Caryl has some other really confused articles on the subject here:
Caryl Matrisciana's articles on Reformed Theology

Now, I will grant her that if she was stuck in a goofy place like Harold Camping's group (which claims a sort of Calvinism but doesn't of course actually live by it) or Rushdoony and Gary North's somewhat Calvinist Reconstructionist craziness, she might have a bad taste in her mouth about Calvinism.

Brad Powell at Radicalis 2010 "Leading your Congregation through Change" (blech)

Of course, this is like all the other transitioning articles, just bad all around. But I'm going to listen anyway. And anyone who wants to figure out how this stuff works ought to listen, too, with discernment.

There are three downloadable mp3's on this page. That's about the only Radicalis audio that is freely available. (They sell the DVD's or CDs at their website for $65.00, and if you really care to support this nonsense you can look that up yourself.)

http://www.purposedriven.com/mc/ms/8b9b/

The three that you can listen to here are called "leading your congregation through change." (sessions 1-3) .  The other sessions are just downloadable outlines in pdf format.  I glanced at those and everything essentially seems to boil down to "what we must do." (In case you're wondering, proper discernment of and proclaiming of law and gospel is, of course, not at the top of the list of what we must do.  In fact I don't think they're even mentioned.  If they were, that'd be a first.  Have a little more Law with your Theology of Glory, anyone? Anyone?  Going once...Going twice...)

September 8, 2011

Channel 4 WCCO exposes Erik Dykstra

Well, I guess it's not really an exposé but it's a story at least:

Elk River Church’s Practices Stirs Controversy

to read the woman's story go here
Losing Curtis? (One Mother's Journey)

Her blog has many more posts keeping the story going as it unfolds.  May the Lord protect her and her family and bring them closer to Christ.

September 6, 2011

Granger 'church' wants to remove "saved" and "born again"

Indiana Pastor: 'Saved' Should Be Removed From Church Vocabulary?
"he also has a problem with the phrase “born again.”.
No, what he really has a problem with is Jesus. I think Granger ought to remove 'Christian' and 'church' from their organization description and 'Christian' and 'pastor' from this guy's job description.

August 31, 2011

Nazarene M7 Conference FAIL

What? You mean women-as-pastors isn't one of those challenges? #fail #epicfail

Well, the Nazarene church and their parent denominations (Central Evangelical Holiness Union, Association of Pentecostal Churches of America, New Testament Church of Christ, Independent Holiness Church) have been ordaining women for over a hundred years, I guess that's one of the past challenges that they pretty much didn't pass victoriously.



The link to the full video or audio can be found on this page:
http://www.m7conference.org/M7VideoStreaming/tabid/142/Default.aspx

Thank you Dr Dobson for helping to make moralism and political activism the focus of the Nazarene church. Then again, considering its parent denominations I guess he can't be mostly to blame. He was raised in it. But in any case, once you teach people how to miss the entire point of Scripture (intentionally or because you also have missed it) they will bring in all kinds of other falsehoods under that hermeneutic. Even if you don't teach them to miss the point, because the church is comprised of humans who are prone to wander from the truth, they will keep trying to bring those things in, albeit with much less, or much slower, success.

"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." 2 Tim 2:15

August 30, 2011

Coming Back To The Heart Of Repentance (PM Notes)

I've been pointed by our youth pastor to this blog from a Pastor Matt Richard of the Lutheran Brethren church in Sidney MT.

The top post as of today is entitled
Coming Back To The Heart Of Repentance (Encore)
and it was excellent so I thought I would share it. I am looking forward to reading this pastor's musings!

in particular this excerpt caught my eye:
"As previously stated, people in the 16th century primarily saw sin in the context of evil actions. The neglecting of teaching sin as a condition of the heart resulted in repentance not being taught correctly. Consequently this produced false repentance or what can be called partial repentance. Without considering the ramifications of the internal heart problem, people of the 16th century resorted to believing the falsehood that all they needed to do was to polish up their external actions through tireless self-effort (i.e. external repentance) and ‘bam’ they would arrive at holiness! This kind of partial repentance only scratched the surface and did not touch the fundamental issue of sin."
Being stuck in this false understanding of repentance, a moralistic repentance, is one reason why people might get tired of hearing about repentance and the gospel every week.  Just sayin'!

James Macdonald lashes out

James Macdonald is whining like a true theological liberal now... it's amazing what happens when you consort with and partner with theologically bad apples.

http://twitter.com/#!/jamesmacdonald/status/104191447959470080

WAIT WAIT! Isnt' that guilt by association?

Oh, no, that's right. That's "guilty associations" or "association of the guilty."
(added a few hours after posting):
Apprising.org has an excellent summary of Macdonald's temper tantrum which includes a great link to EBenz blog post about this on Do Not Be surprised.
Apprising.org - James Macdonald on Criticism

So I wonder if it is safe to say yet that "It is clear that the term “Reformed” is about as meaningless as the term “evangelical” or do we need to clear that with the Christian blogosphere police first?

August 27, 2011

Dr Macarthur: Are the YRR's in danger of inadvertently reversing their Revival?

These are well worth your time to listen to if you can find a computer that has sound and can play this video. It is ABOUT TIME someone said these things.

John Macarthur calls out people with Reformed Soteriology who act like Arminians (or, in some cases even Pelagians in my opinion) and specifically names John Piper and Rick Warren. FINALLY!! One of the big names is SAYING what so many uof us are thinking! R C Sproul wouldn't even say anything about his friend Piper snuggling up to Warren, to his shame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYhmo5gabQU

part 2 of John Macarthur calling out the Reformed 'revival' for their heteroprax compromising and his plan to counteract that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6wWedCqfcM
(It's a well-meaning idea and I hope it succeeds.  But, considering he already has a seminary and the very popular graduate of that school, Francis Chan himself, hasn't been influenced to take a stand against this stuff by going through that program, I don't know that this will solve anything... but, again, I hope I am wrong).

August 18, 2011

Phil Johnson weighs in on Mark Driscoll's obscene visions

Actually he's weighing in on Doug Wilson weighing in, but that's just fine with me! It's still very good.

Let's not dance around the real issues
Doug Wilson acknowledges that Driscoll's assertions and allegations are, well, bizarre. But from Doug's perspective, it seems, the disagreement itself is an even more troubling and more pressing problem. Doug says there's wrong—serious wrong (perhaps even equal wrong?)—on both sides.

But Doug believes the whole conflict might be cleared up with a parley: "I would like to see us work out the protocols for how to talk about such things," he writes. "[And I] think it would be good if Phil and Mark could get together to work it through."

Doug recommends (and evidently concurs with) a post by Toby Sumpter, who likewise acknowledges that Driscoll's claims are "weird and goofy." But, says Toby, "I don't believe [Driscoll's misdeeds] rise nearly to the level of sin or scandal that [Phil] Johnson suggests."

Really? If it's not grossly sinful, certainly scandalous, and probably blasphemous to recount to one's congregation the play-by-play details of an adulterous couple's secret tryst (up to and including the coital position) and then claim one knows those details because God Himself revealed them through a prophetic peep show—then I wonder what kind of claim one would have to make to rise to the requisite level of opprobrium.
(read more at Team Pyro)

August 12, 2011

Homosexuality in the Evangelical Covenant seems to be moving right along...

A friend just directed me to this blog:
Coming Out Covenant (pushing for homosexuality tolerance in the Evangelical Covenant denomination)

In 2005 years ago the Evangelical Covenant Conference director Jim Fretheim, in response to me calling the Evangelical Covenant denomination liberal, insisted that the Evangelical Covenant was actually a very conservative denomination. Just "apparently not conservative enough for YOU"... and at that very adversarial meeting, our church kicked us out for opposing Purpose Driven at our church and my calling our pastor Todd Ertsgaard on the carpet for quite a few instances of manipulative and underhanded, controlling and unethical behavior.  I was ordered to recant and apologize and never speak of our concerns again in any form (phone, email, written) and then we would be reinstated to our Music (husband and me) and Sunday School teaching (husband) positions.  Needless to say we didn't recant. [That's the extremely short version of the events.  The long version is linked at the top of each blog page.]

Ironically Todd took and read Jason's paper regarding his concerns about the church and about Purpose Driven and then went ahead and immediately taught Purpose Driven Life when he went to his new church in River Falls, WI.  Some people never learn.

At that time (2005) women were already long-accepted as pastors.  People were (and probably still are) lamenting how hard it still was to get women pastors called to a church.  At the 05 ordination ceremony, Judith McCullough gave her ridiculous message all about herself, and her vivid imagination, and about breaking the "glass ceiling" in the ECov.  I dunno about anyone else but my "cr*p detector" was going off nonstop through that one.

We did not know women were accepted as pastors when we joined in 1999, or we would not have joined.  It was one thing we specifically looked for on the website.  I guess we should have asked someone.

Also at that time I found out  that there already was a growing faction working to get the acceptance of ordaining homosexuals (especially the Pietisten bunch see Redefining the Covenant parts 1-3 by Phillip Keillor).  And according to Jim Fretheim, that's conservative?

Well this blogger Nathan Albert at "Coming out Covenant" is apparently helping push that snowball down the hill.  But hey he has a theology degree from North Park, so what can we expect, I guess.

August 11, 2011

Mark Driscoll skating on VERY thin ice

This is why non-cessationists get into trouble.

Heireblog reports on:
Mark Driscoll On Prophetic Dreams and Seeing the Future

Driscoll:
Sometimes your counselee, they will see things. Ye..eh..there’s pa..I found this with people…ok, now let me…I’m going to ask the demon questions. You tell me what they say. They don’t say anything. I say, “What do you hear?” And they say, “Nothing.” They say, “But I’m seeing stuff.” Oh, oh, well tell me. What’s that? “I’m seeing..you know when I was little my grandpa molested me. I didn’t know that.” I said, “Well, let’s not assume it’s true. Go ask your grandfather.” Grandpa says, “Yeeeaah, when you were little I molested you.” Grandpa was assuming they’d be too young to remember. So he’s only molest grand kids up to a certain age. But they saw it.
Notice how he ASKS people about these messages and feels people out to figure out if he is on the right track, just like any fake psychic does (almost unintentionally, it is such a habit wih them). It's a trick almost anyone can learn and some people fall into naturally. It's a great way to take advantage of people, and it's TOTALLY HUMAN and EARTHLY.

August 4, 2011

COPOUT of the week "We aren't theologians, we are a pro family group!"

"We aren't theologians, we are a pro family group!"

I want to share with you something very observant my husband Jason just posted in regard to that answer I had heard was given to Brannon Howse regarding his objections to a pro family group participating with and promoting the Response, with heretics from the NAR and IHOP among others.

[This pro family group, I have been told, is the AFA.  Buster Wilson's silly post seems to support the AFA as the identity of the 'pro family group' which Brannon seems unwilling to name as yet.]

Jason said:
"It seems to me that a group that responds to a critique by admitting ignorance or dismissal of doctrine has forfeited the standing to say anything at all regarding anything."

"One's doctrine is revealed by action or inaction; claiming otherwise is naïve at best, and still undermines any teaching authority."

"I can respect a group which says "This issue is most specific to a secondary doctrine that isn't tied to the function of this organization, so we don't promote a specific position on it." I may not agree with their position, but if they work within that constraint, that's fine. I would say that position wouldn't support a group telling anyone else what their priorities in preaching, etc. should be, though."

August 2, 2011

Reformed Audio releases audiobook Machen's Christianity and Liberalism for free

Michael Spotts tells us:

"In case you missed it, Reformed Audio has been given permission to release an audio version of Machen's Christianity and Liberalism for free..."

http://reformedaudio.org/mache​n.html
[I note that the link to the 3rd part of the D G Hart audio is incorrect.  It should be
http://reformedaudio.org/audio/hart/Hart%20-%20Defending%20the%20Faith,%20Chapter%206%20(Part%203%20of%203).mp3
The incorrect link there takes you to a BB Warfield audio file.]

A bit from the intro:
‎"In the sphere of religion, as in other spheres, the things about which men are agreed are apt to be the things that are least worth holding; the really important things are the things about which men will fight. In the sphere of religion, in particular, the present time is a time of conflict; the great redemptive religion which has always been known as Christianity is battling against a totally diverse type of religious belief, which is only the more destructive of the Christian faith because it makes use of traditional Christian terminology. This modern non-redemptive religion is called “modernism” or “liberalism.” Both names are unsatisfactory; the latter, in particular, is question-begging. The movement designated as “liberalism” is regarded as “liberal” only by its friends; to its opponents it seems to involve a narrow ignoring of many relevant facts. And indeed the movement is so various in its manifestations that one may almost despair of finding any common name which will apply to all its forms."
Bridger works for me.
"The enemy has not really been changed into a friend merely because he has been received within the camp." (Chapter 2, pg 17)

August 1, 2011

Perry Noble admits Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Church is his inspiration

An Open Letter to Rick Warren (Perry Noble)

Huh, I thought Rick Warren didn't approve of the sorts of strong arm abusive expulsion tactics so many of his followers (like Noble) employ?
Mr. Warren acknowledges that splits occur in congregations that adopt his ideas, though he says he opposes efforts to expel church members.(Source)
Did Rick Warren inspire this, Perry?
Shut Up, they explained

Even More Beth Moore

There is a simulcast event happening locally so this topic has come up again. Normally I don't even bother following Moore, but she seems to be as popular as ever with women. I simply don't get it.

This person has done an excellent series of posts just recently after having attended a Beth Moore event.

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching: Part 1, Introduction and Casualness

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching, Part 2

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching, Part 3- Contemplative Prayer

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching: Part 4: Legalism

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching, Part 5: Personal Revelation (This one is one I think she doesn't quite hit hard enough on but...)

Troubled by Beth Moore's Teaching, Part 6: Eisegesis, Pop Psychology, & Bad Bible Interpretations

Troubled by Beth Moore's teaching: Part 7, Conclusion


Beth Moore: reactions to Living Proof teaching in Charlotte. Part 1, The Women

Beth Moore: reactions to Living Proof teaching in Charlotte. Part 2, The Music

Beth Moore: reactions to Living Proof teaching in Charlotte. Part 3a: The Teaching

Beth Moore: reactions to Living Proof teaching in Charlotte. Part 3b: The Teaching

Beth Moore: reactions to Living Proof teaching in Charlotte. Part 4: A final word

Incidentally what I have seen and read of Kay Arthur basically strikes me as just an older more composed version of Moore.

July 27, 2011

The Response is mostly Heretics. Christians should not be involved.

When I sent this out originally I had no idea someone already put The Response (Aug 6) in our church bulletin. Sigh.

Then again, we saw how many Christian people thought it was ok to participate in a spiritual venture with a prominent and charming Mormon last year. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy Glenn Beck and think he's a great guy, but not someone I would pray with or agree on almost anything spiritually. I could not lend any credibility to him in that aspect.

This is NOT a good movement that is doing The Response.  They are some of the WORST most blasphemous heretics in Christendom (Rick Joyner, Cindy Jacobs, Mick Bickle, Joel's Army, etc etc IHOP, the New Apostolic Reformation, Joel's Army) who think we have to take over the world in order for Christ to come back, and that's actually some of their milder error). Dr Dobson and other clueless Christians like David Barton and others, ought to be ashamed of themselves for yoking with these outright kooks who incorporate pagan ecstatic orgies into their worship services on a regular basis. Sure, we should be repenting.  No argument there.  But Satan is happy to give you a little truth in order to get you to swallow a bigger lie.

Michael Durham's "History of the Modern Gospel" -- good, BUT...

NOTE 3-14-2016

I have since come to realize that there are definitely problems with soft antinomianism going on in the church today. I wrote the original post here while still not seeing that problem. There certainly is a problem with hammering the law too heavily as well. But that isn't what I'm seeing in my circles at the moment.

Original post follows:

I loved the History of the Modern Gospel series that Jason told me was promoted a while back on Wretched Radio. I really didn't have much problem with it at all.  Nothing that sticks out in my mind anyway.

But... I listened to some other things of his on his youtube channel, and I came away thinking that Michael Durham's idea of sanctification really concerns me.

There's a hint of pietism in some of the things he says, where I get the impression that he might be one of those who believes real Christians don't struggle with sin. Oh yeah, maybe the 'respectable' ones... but nothing REALLY bad... My guess is that he's one of the guys who thinks the Romans 7 wretch is Paul talking about BEFORE he was converted, which makes no sense grammatically.  I don't know this for sure as I have not heard him speak on that particular passage.

July 22, 2011

Christians partnering with heretical so-called "Christians" for Pro-Life causes.

Brannon Howse posted this today:
Brannon shares how he has been told that if he continues to share from the Bible as to why it is wrong for Christians to unite with false teachers in Gov. Perry’s August 6 event, that includes Cindy Jacobs and C. Peter Wagner, that he will no longer be able to advertise his Worldview Weekend Conferences with a major pro-family organization.
I'm guessing that he's talking about Wildmon's AFA judging by the leadership list on The Response website.  I seem to remember seeing red flags with that organization a while ago along these same lines.  - update - just had it verified that it is the AFA that is threatening Brannon for alerting people to this apostasy.  They are in bed with these heretics, per The Response website, so no surprise there.

Military promotes occult spirituality treatment for PTSD

Our military is raving about this new approach to deal with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder - effectively dabbling in the occult. I guess the end justifies the means...?

Military praises 'fantastic' new post-traumatic stress therapy

I have heard military chaplains can't emphasize the exclusivity of the gospel in ministering to the men and women in their care. Which means if these men and women need forgiveness, they don't get it in the form of Christ's atoning sacrifice alone... pray for our men and women in uniform. They need the gospel!

How many of our Christian military are now using this in ignorance not knowing that it is pagan spirituality and very likely placing them in spiritual bondage?

July 21, 2011

Divided The Movie - a reasonable but incomplete conclusion - and poorly supported

I had a long post all written up, needing editing badly, but it seems Challies has already posted my thoughts.
Tim Challies' Review of Divided the Movie

In particular these paragraphs are the ones with which I sympathize:
"It is beyond dispute that young people are abandoning the church, but the heart of this problem is not youth ministry or Sunday school. The heart of the problem is that many young people are being raised in homes and in churches where the gospel is absent. They are being raised by hypocrites and are rejecting that life of hypocrisy. I see young people abandoning the church and, though I am saddened by it, I Am Unalarmed.

The Resurgence promotes Tony Campolo

Someone please tell me why Mark Driscoll's resurgence bunch is ok with Inclusivist/Universalist pro-gay Tony Campolo?

http://theresurgence.com/2011/07/18/not-your-typical-surprise-party

July 5, 2011

Bridgers written about in 1887

I was just listening to a great series from Real Truth Matters with Michael Durham called The History of the Modern Gospel.  (For those of you who find YouTube easier to use than Vimeo, I created a playlist here) This is so important!  A friend of ours named Ben is out giving an elective at our denomination's biannual Youth Convention this week on this very subject.  Just the other week I heard one of our denomination's missionaries tell us he's pretty sure we all get it right so he doesn't feel the need to go into that...and then proceeded to load us down with stories and quoting statistics and all the stuff we have to DO to reach the world ending up with quoting Rick Warren favorably.  (facepalm)

June 27, 2011

An old Ergun Michael Caner article about the Columbine Shootings

FIRST-PERSON: Walking a dry trail of tears, Columbine students shun spotlight

A friend of mine found this story he wrote in 2000, (and it is quite good) and shared it with me with these comments:

"Ergun Caner was pastoring a church in Colorado when Columbine happened. He was at the school on that day, trying to help. At that time he was E. Michael "Butch" Caner. I know he would love to add this Columbine story to his repertoire of moving stories, but he can't do that because how would he explain how he used to be Michael or Butch and now he's EAR-GOON GGGGNER? The more I think about the whole thing, the sadder it seems to me."

Hear hear.

Believe it or not, Ergun, the truth WILL set you free.

If only he'd shunned the spotlight like these students he herewith commends...so much might be different for him.

Here is another article about how he tried to share Jesus amid the chaos happening at Columbine at the time

Pastor shares Jesus in war-like scene amid students fleeing Columbine High


If this is what he did, this is commendable, and I agree, a far better story than some jinned up "I used to be a terrorist" stuff.

June 26, 2011

Ergun Caner Controversy Resurfaces

TV News Report in Dallas/Ft. Worth Exposes Caner - FBC Jax Parents, Don't be Fooled Again

He never has recanted/repented/admitted fault... so the story has followed him to his new place of employment.

How churches and Christian organizations can keep hiring these blatant fabricators (i.e. liars) is beyond me...

He's virulently anti-Reformed/Reformational in soteriology (hatefully so) and so besides a few Muslims pointing out his inconsistencies, some reformed people were the first Christian bunch to point out his lies.  It certainly appears that because they so hate the Reformational (i.e. Scriptural) understanding of salvation, they will not do anything to even admit that bunch could have been right.  Instead they demoted him while he kept publicly flaming his detractors for blowing this all out of proportion, twisting his words,  etc... and then after the controversy (supposedly) died down, Liberty apparently must have fired him in spite of the fact that they insist he 'never lied.' (Issuing many self contradictory, mutually exclusive statements, statements that do not correspond to the facts about himself doesn't equal lying, to them?)  Should this sort of political move be seen happening in Christian organizations, under Christian disciplinary processes?

A travesty, indeed.  This is doing a disservice to him and to themselves, more than anyone else.

"What seems to be at issue now is whether his detractors can find it ... to forgive."  Forgive?  That's just a silly statement.  No, what seems to be at issue now is whether he is ever going to admit he lied, and ASK for forgiveness, and demonstrate repentance.  And whether any Christian organization is going to care enough to not hire a public liar.

June 24, 2011

Jane Austen and Charles Dickens devotionals??

No, this is not a parody

NewJane Austen/Charles Dickens Devotionals Trailer

Now, we are classic literature (especially Jane Austen!) fans. We LOOOOVE Pride and Prejudice, the kids included (well, ok the youngest is still not much on board with this affinity).

 But... we all thought this had to be a joke.

"The art of story can open doors and beckon us to the author of our faith... the one True Storyteller."

Is that what Jesus is?  The True Storyteller?  Excuse me while I LOL at the preposterous and trivial nature of that particular name for Jesus.  Is that name found in the Bible somewhere?

More evidence of the New Downgrade....

June 23, 2011

Ken Ham "Already Gone" Answers In Genesis presentation download free for a week

Ken Ham presentation "Already Gone" - free download for a week (not sure how many days left)

(UPDATE - there is also this one "Six Days - Don't call us Young Earth Creationists")

I listened to (watched) this yesterday with the kids and our eldest daughter's friend, who recently was saved out of a sort of semi-religious agnosticism, wherein he accepted the theory of evolution. WOW. FANTASTIC stuff.  I've seen Ken Ham's whole DVD series, but this was still a little like drinking from a fire hose... in a good way. He covers all the objections (both pro and con) to the willingness to compromise on the 6-24hr day young earth understanding... and he fits it all in a fairly short presentation.

June 18, 2011

Os Guinness calls for a New Christian Renaissance (?)

http://www.christianpost.com/news/os-guinness-calls-for-a-new-christian-renaissance-51309/

my comment:
Good grief, he's sounding more and more like Rick Warren. Sad.

How is this any different? Rick Warren said "I’m looking for a second reformation. The first reformation of the church 500 years ago was about beliefs. This one is going to be about behavior. The first one was about creeds. This one is going to be about deeds. It is not going to be about what does the church believe, but about what is the church doing." (http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/Christianity/2005/10/Rick-Warrens-Second-Reformation.aspx?p=1).

So Os is calling for a moral revival, how is that any different from what the Left is calling for (their own morality of caring for the poor, social justice). It isn't going to work. We are fallen creatures and the only hope is the gospel. Os should be calling for the church to preach the gospel. I rarely hear it these days. It's assumed. The gospel assumed is the gospel denied. (Which is a A REALLY good article by Rev Herbert Mueller, LC-MS).
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Also, note in the article what he says is good evidence of the renaissance that are growing up through the 'cement' -- The Wedgwood Circle, The International Justice movement, Socrates in the city???

Good grief.  And that's just the tip of the iceberg in this article.

And God Mocked them (excerpt audio from youtube)

I realize there are questions about Rob Morey's ethical behavior (or lack thereof) circulating around the internet.  I honestly don't know what to make of those.  I have enjoyed and benefitted from the teaching that I have heard from him.

However this is one of my favorite mp3's of his (only a short bit of it here in this clip).  I ordered the full version when it was still available for mp3 download. I wish they would offer that again.  But here it is on CD:
http://shop.faithdefenders.com/And_God_Mocked_Them_p/cd-colon-cdandgodmocked.htm




The entire presentation is 1hr 10 minutes

Here is a list of issues with Morey from someone who seems somewhat sympathetic to his teaching:
http://theocentricliving.blogspot.com/2008/04/abuses-of-dr-robert-morey-part-3-my.html

Just sounds like he doesn't seem to be a 'pastor' type... maybe he is another one of those who can teach, but not 'pastor' -- and he doesn't know it yet? I have no idea. Pure speculation on my part. But I have seen many of those sorts.

June 14, 2011

A W Pink on Sanctification (an encouragement and comfort for the struggling)

AW Pink The Doctrine of Sanctification (excerpt from last 7 pages)

Having presented an outline in our last chapter of the part which faith plays in sanctification, we shall now endeavour, under God, to offer consolation unto some of our sin-burdened, doubt-harassed, Satan-tormented brethren and sisters in Christ. "Comfort ye, comfort ye, My people, saith your God." (Isa. 40:1). And why? Because God’s children are the most deeply distressed people on the face of the earth! Though at times they experience a peace which passeth all understanding, revel in that love which passeth knowledge, and rejoice with joy unspeakable, yet for the most part their souls are much cast down, and fears, bondage, groans, constitute a large part of their experience. They may for a brief season be regaled by the wells and palm trees of Elim, but most of their lives are lived in the "great howling wilderness" (Deut. 32:10), so that they are often constrained to say, "Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest."

Sanctification - What sins do Christians NOT do?

This subject of sanctification and what lists of sins Christians "do" or "don't do" (respectable vs disrespectable sins) has come up an awful lot for me in discussion this week regarding several Christian friends who are struggling with the fallout of besetting sins in their lives, church discipline, etc. My heart aches for all those who struggle, because I have been there, done that, and probably will do so again at some point. In fact, at the point at which I think I'm not struggling, perhaps I'm in great danger. Lord have mercy!

June 9, 2011

One Mother's Journey (Spiritual abuse at Crossing Church in Elk River MN)

I was just made aware of this very sad story:

MONDAY, MAY 23, 2011
Chapter 18....Losing Curtis?

So what changed, what happened, what came into our home that caused so much destruction? A church, Matthew 7:15-20, a place I trusted my son would be safe, a place where I believed my son could and would glorify God, a place that should give hope and reflect joy, show love, seek peace, be kind and gentle, practice and teach self-control. This place I sent my child with blessing has become my biggest nightmare to date. As I look at my family today, I feel like saying this “church” destroyed my family but instead I will say that somehow in this nightmare, my heavenly Father will be glorified. I choose to believe that the darkness within those walls will be revealed. I choose to believe that His light will shine and show the evil that lurks there..Ephesians 5:13 But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them... That in my pain, in what I see as loss and destruction, through that my son will be rescued by the Rescuer and will someday use this as a mighty testimony to our Lord and Savior and His saving Grace.

My sons involvement at the Crossing Church in Elk River, Mn started around Easter 2010. He was invited by a friend to come play on the worship team, his friend that I trust and who I know loves my kid...
read more at One Mother's Journey

Chuck McAlister's 6 part article on transitioning the established church has moved

Had a bit of a time trying to locate this this series this morning as the URLs have changed.  Here is Chuck McAlister's series on transitioning the established church (to a Purpose Driven Model). I do not endorse this approach at all.  But provide it for educational purposes.  He refers to Dan Southerland's book Transitioning: Leading your church through change (sounds innocuous enough right?  It has a glowing foreword by Rick Warren).

Part 6 (links to the first five are on the page)
http://www.pastors.com/blogs/ministrytoolbox/archive/2003/09/25/Moving-your-Education-Ministry-to-Life_2D00_Empowerment_3A00_-how-to-transition-an-established-church-_1320_-Part-6.aspx



(UPDATE 1-27-2012 - the articles by McAlister have disappeared. I can't even find his name on
Pastors.com but according to this website he still does church transitioning consulting.)

Through our Church Encounter Ministry, we consult with and assist churches in understanding how they can engage and reach the unchurched of their community utilizing the various affinities that can be identified to attract the unchurched. A series of articles, written by Chuck McAlister, entitled How to Transition an Established Church, serve as the background information to guide the churches through the process of evaluating their ministries and structure to insure that optimum resources are focussed on reaching the unchurched. We also utilize the workbook, Gifted for Life’s Journey written by Chuck McAlister, to assist these churches in assimilating the new Christians they bring into their church.

UPDATE 4-1-2014 I found he has them posted on tumblr now and there are 10 parts. I don't know what all he has changed, if anything.

http://promiseofhope.tumblr.com/tagged/church-transition

But he's also in the news for raffling off guns in church and I remember seeing his "Adventure Bound Outdoors" which I found rather tedious and contrived.  (And I am a hunter myself.)  *sigh* Some pastors never learn.

June 6, 2011

Another one from my friend

I bet she's churlish too...

I had no idea!

A friend of mine wrote to say he was banned from a certain board for displaying 'churlishness' of late.  They would not answer which particular posts were the problem.  *Sigh* What a tragedy.  So I did what I always do, I go to the Scriptures to find out what to do.  This is what I found... I mean, I can imagine how upsetting it is to be banned, although it hasn't happened to me, as far as I can remember.  But wow!  I had no idea it was so serious!  I missed these verses for so long.
LUKE 12:10, "And everyone that says a word against the Son of Man, that will be forgiven; But he that is churlish and/or sarcastic will not be forgiven and shall have their posting privileges revoked."

MARK 3:29, "Whoever has 'issues' will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin.  And shall no longer be able to point out the log in his brother's eye."

MATTHEW 12: 31-32 "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but if you display an attitude problem shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak cynically or with sarcasm, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come.  And shall no longer be able to try and stop his brother from swallowing a camel."
Now I know why people get so upset when there happen to be people out defending the truth by using the devices of sarcasm and wit.  Heaven help us, we're all going to hell!

June 4, 2011

Purpose Driven Craziness (Marusha Such Was I)

A good post from my friend Marusha:

I am so distraught and almost out of my mind over the fact that Rick Warren could actually deceive so many. Including John Piper and Tullian Tchividjian. Who else is under his spell? Rick is very methodical and ‘purposeful’ in his quest to worm his way into the reformed camp. He never passes up photo opportunities with well known theologians like Michael Horton. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He has a strategy and he is very gifted and charming.

Fluky Fridays are just that: fluky. I post whatever occurs to me that week. This week is purpose driven craziness.

Why bother with this? Many have told me that we shouldn’t point out heresy, that it divides. We should just love everyone and show grace. It is immature to have a discernment ministry. Why can’t we just leave everyone alone?

As nice as the above statements seem, to follow them would be unkind, dangerous and unbiblical.

read more at

Purpose Driven Craziness

June 3, 2011

Facebooker takes me to task privately after taking me to task publicly


He's much holier than me, see...
Brad Johnson June 1 at 2:17pm Report
I would like to share my response to you in private and give you an opportunity to repent, before I handle this publicly (i.e. on a FB post), as not to needlessly shame the body of Christ. I hope you will not flippantly reject these words, but take them in and pray them through. Rather than find a sliver or crack of error and focusing on that, listen to the totality and weight of what's being said...

I find it interesting that you admit Rick Warren is saved, and actually consider him a pastor/teacher (but a "poor" one, in your opinion), yet your continue to sow discord and negativity in the body of Christ (which RW is a part of, like it or not). Do you not know that God loves and uses poor teachers... in fact, that's all He uses! Where John Piper has sought unity and has come along side Rick Warren to encourage him in areas of concern, you have an obvious agenda to tear down... a brother. A saved brother!! This is not love, edifying, or good in any way. You have clearly become an agent of satan and not the Holy Spirit.

June 1, 2011

Screen caps from my friend

My friend made up a couple of demotivational posters from the Piper Warren interview that I think embody pretty closely what is going on.


May 27, 2011

Piper Warren Interview now posted at Desiring God

Desiring God has posted the warren interview.

John Piper Interviews Rick Warren on the Purpose Driven Life (Desiring God)

My comment on the Gospel Coalition posting about this:

My question is, isn’t Warren admitting his critics are right about the book? And that brings up another question. What minister of the gospel “throws in” a little bit about salvation? What on earth kind of attitude is that about the gospel!? It’s like 1. he doesn’t care about the couple unsaved people he thinks might read it – they may or may not get saved because he threw in just a smattering of allusion to the gospel — and 2. he doesn’t think believers need to hear it too! and 3. it’s the same smattering of ‘throwing something in about salvation’ that he does when he KNOWS he is talking to an unbeliever. I have NEVER heard the gospel clearly preached from him in 6 years of following his appearances and having listened to many Warren sermons online.

May 26, 2011

John Rutter: Requiem

I had not heard of this piece before last night. My daughter's choir (yes, public school) sang movement 2, "Out Of The Deep."




Out of the deep

Out of the deep have I called unto thee, O Lord:
Lord, hear my voice.
O let thine ears consider well:
    the voice of my complaint.
If thou, Lord, wilt be extreme to mark what is done
    amiss: O Lord, who may abide it?
For there is mercy with thee:
    therefore shalt thou be feared.
I look for the Lord; my soul doth wait for him:
    in his word is my trust.
My soil fleeth unto the Lord:
before the morning watch,
I say, before the morning watch.
O Israel, trust in the Lord,
    for with the Lord there is mercy:
and with him is plenteous redemption.
And he shall redeem Israel: from all his sins.


here are rest of the lyrics

I may have to pick up a good recording of this.