April 13, 2009

The Harvest, Kehilat T'nuvah


We had someone show up on Wretched Radio Chat trying to tell us we had to worship Christ in the Jewish OT way in order to be correct. This is the group he's been listening to. He tries to get us all to go this route by essentially asking over and over how we know how to please God and then directing us to the Torah. He says he is pretty sure that we have all been wrong about our faith. He compared it to living in The Matrix -- and how now he thinks he has taken the Red Pill so is seeing the truth in this Harvest Messianic group. -- it was like turning the entire book of Galatians on its head. Not to mention Acts 15.

On that page there are plenty of sermons. The first one I listened to was from the series on Authority, entitled "Reversing the Curse" and it was about Family Authority.


Oh great. No gospel whatsoever. Jesus is mentioned mostly as having died to make us able to fulfill the law.

Here's a choice quote from it which embodies the entirety of the sermon, and is given at the climax after he lays out the miserable case of our fallen situation:

"So what is the answer to the fall and the curse of disobedience? What is the answer to that? If all of these things came upon us through our disobedience, then we can reverse the curse through our OBEDIENCE."

This is of course, nothing but regular old pharisaic judaism, not messianic Judaism.

Their statement of faith, while otherwise orthodox and Christian has a few things about how we need to follow the Torah too. It's 'couched' but once you listen to the message (listen to at least that podcast on 'reversing the curse' - it was all about that little nugget I posted. The Judaizers Paul condemned were otherwise Christian as well... but they had that ONE little extra requirement.

go here: http://www.graftedin.com/statementFaith.html

From #4 : Salvation is the gift of HaShem to man, separate from works and the law, and is made operative by grace through faith in Yeshua, producing works acceptable to HaShem (Eph. 2:8).

that sounds fine except...
read 7 8 and 9 in context of each other. especially #8.

The Torah
We believe that the Torah (five books of Moses) is a comprehensive summary of HaShem's foundational laws and ways, as found in both the new and older covenant (Ex. 19&20; Deut. 5; Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:10; Matt. 5:17-19). Therefore we encourage all believers, both Jews and Gentiles, to affirm, embrace, and practice these foundational laws and ways as clarified through the teachings of Messiah Yeshua (Matt. 5:17-19; I Cor. 7:19; Rev. 14:12).

I have to wonder if they're going to reinstitute stoning for certain sins, then? Following dietary restrictions? Not touching 'unclean' people?