April 18, 2008

The Chronicles of a Christian Unplugging by Chris Carmichael

Chris Carmichael sent me his personal testimony to include on my blog, since he has had to take his down, for various reasons.  It was part of my own story of being purpose driven out of our church, and wanted to include it there.

The Chronicles of a Christian Unplugging
by Chris Carmichael

One Sunday morning, back in the summer of 2001, my wife Sheri and I had entered into worship at our Blue Springs, Missouri church. We had begun a sincere, heartfelt worship of God, singing praise to Him: fixing our heart, mind, and soul on our Lord and Savior, when instantly that connection was broken. The lights dimmed, a large screen came down from the ceiling, and a movie clip from "Apollo 13" began rolling above the pulpit. Suddenly, we were no longer in a sanctuary, but in a theater watching the big screen, where we heard people behind us whisper with delight, "I love this movie... Isn't Tom Hanks great?"

We realized something was terribly wrong here, and our hearts dropped. Familiar feelings of dread swept over my wife and me, and we looked at each other, knowingly.

We had felt these feelings before, two years earlier, when my wife and I knew we had to leave our first church. We had been active members of a Mormon sect called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (RLDS) church that founded its teachings on the false revelations of Joseph Smith and his counterfeit creation, The Book of Mormon. Through the grace of God, however, my wife and I left that false religion after diligently studying the Bible and discovering the truth of the pure gospel of Jesus Christ, outside of the lies of the RLDS canon of teachings.

It wasn't an easy thing to do, to leave the RLDS church; Sheri had grown up in the church her whole life, and her family was still actively involved in it. Yet we knew, by God's word and the leading of the Spirit, that it was full of falsehood and deceit that twisted the true Gospel and nullified the sovereign grace of God. So we left, even though it pained us emotionally.

Now, as we watched "theologian/actor" Tom Hanks set up our pastor's sermon theme for the day, that emotional pain we thought we had buried two years earlier by finding a new church home was returning to us. We thought we had joined a biblically-based church, but this latest worship activity was not biblically or spiritually sound. It wasn't worship anymore; it was entertainment. We knew right then, I think, that we would probably be leaving this church, too.

Of course, this wasn't the first and only incident that had disturbed us. We had been seeing warning signs the last six months or so. At the time, we didn't know it was a slow, systematic introduction of Church Growth principles into the church, but we certainly knew it didn't "jive" with Scripture.

Looking back, we thank God that He forced us to rely on His Word to lead us out of the RLDS church, because the residual effect of that experience was that we had learned to completely ground all our faith, actions and discernment on the authority and more importantly, the sufficiency of Scripture. Through the unyielding lense of sola Scriptura, then, we could clearly see that the recent events at our church were rife with doctrinal problems.

And that is what made us so "dangerous" to those who were carefully implementing the church's new wayward growth strategy towards seeker-sensitivity and consumer marketing techniques: we were going to ask them to support their position solely from Scripture.

Before "Apollo 13" ever appeared in our church's worship service, my wife and I had seen many warning signs that our church was quickly implementing the "seeker-sensitive" model to attract larger attendance, but we were slow to discern the error. Looking back on that time, we are very sorry that we were so intimately involved in some of this unbiblical activity. As part of the leadership of the church, we personally implemented some of the Willow Creek/Saddleback strategies to help "grow" our church. After all, isn't evangelism what the church is primarily for? Didn't we desperately want to bring more souls to Jesus?

The last six months of our attendance, however, showed us that all this pragmatic evangelism was all about numbers, and had little to do with maintaining biblical integrity or proclaiming the gospel. As with most Willow Creek-type churches, we were in the midst of a building campaign to raise enough money to build a bigger facility. During this time, the pulpit was constantly being used during Sunday morning worship to drum up financial support for the new building. Sad to say, my wife and I also were involved in this. As co-directors of the building campaign, Sheri and I were asked to speak to the congregation during (believe it or not) Easter Sunday services. Our responsibility was to explain how everyone in the congregation could budget their money better so they could make a bigger pledge to the campaign. On an Easter morning when our Christian fellowship should be remembering Christ alone, His finished work on the cross, and His triumphant resurrection, here we were telling people not to eat out so much so they could save more money to give to the church project. To this day, we are ashamed of what we did. The sad thing is we knew deep inside at the time that it was inappropriate to mingle a fundraising "infomercial" with worship, and yet we thought it was for the good of the church.

That, of course, is the problem with the pragmatism of the Church Growth Movement: the end justifies the means. Who cares what biblical principle we trample on if it gets more people in the church? This was the reason our church produced a video where Noah and Samson were portrayed as humorous buffoons in a skit to promote the pastor's next sermon series. This was why the official wording of our communion policy, which excluded nonbelievers from partaking, was suddenly changed to more "user-friendly" language that was ambivalent enough to make it sound like nonbelievers could participate. This pragmatism also made it easier for the church to happily accept that some longtime members would eventually leave the church because of the changes that were being made. Ultimately, the church leadership didn't care what they did as long as it brought in more people down the road.

During this time, I was asked by leadership to contribute some visual art to be projected on the overhead screen during the sermon. Knowing that I was a cartoonist, they wanted me to draw a cartoon of John the Baptist to be displayed during the pastor's message, "John the Baptist: Fulfilling God's Call." In a letter to me, the Creative Arts leader invited me to contribute this cartoon because "John was such a flamboyant, weird character, we could just see a great funny drawing of him." Of course, I declined. How the congregation would be edified by portraying John as a "weird" cartoon character, I will never know. But this is pragmatic thinking at its best: people love cartoons, so let's use cartoons to amuse the congregation. Who cares if it denigrates one of God's great servants?

The final straw for me came while I was in charge of the church's advertising and promotion team. One of my leadership duties during that time was to create a questionnaire to send out to the membership to find out what their "unchurched" neighbors were like. The survey was designed to define a target audience for the church to attract. What are their interests? What kind of music do they like? What about church do they hate? Obviously, the church was looking at how they could change in a way that would be more appealing to the world around them. I instantly saw tremendous problems with this approach: the church leadership now saw the "unchurched" as sovereign, instead of the gospel message.

In the end, the survey was a total waste of time. Very few questionnaires were returned, and the ones that were returned made one thing very clear to me: it doesn't matter what unchurched people like or dislike: they need to hear the gospel, plain and simple. A church can appeal to their worldly interests all they want, but if the unchurched don't see their sinfulness and their need for Christ, then the church cannot help them by fulfilling their worldly wants. In fact, the danger is that this approach will make the unchurched enjoy a worldly church without truly converting them.

It wasn't long after this that it dawned on me that all these "seeker-sensitive" innovations were coming into the church because of our recent association with CGM churches like Willow Creek and Saddleback. In fact, after some investigation I realized that official Willow Creek and Saddleback materials, instead of the Bible, were being prominently used to change the biblical dynamics of our church. We had borrowed ideas from Saddleback on how to conduct a successful building campaign; we had borrowed creative worship ideas from another CGM church in Texas to interest nonbelievers. And with our membership to the Willow Creek Association, we were becoming more and more like a Willow Creek church, complete with drama, rock band, and audio/visual presentations to appeal to the masses. Even our leadership was being encouraged to take seminars at Willow Creek to learn how to implement all these CGM ideas.

Realizing that the philosophy behind these contemporary church innovations was biblically flawed, I began to do research on Willow Creek and the Church Growth Movement, and what I found out made me sick. I truly believed that if the overseers of the church knew the inside scoop about the unscriptural foundation of the CGM philosophy, they would want to disassociate with Willow Creek immediately. But alas, this did not happen. I prepared several papers with relevant information about some of my specific concerns for a subcommittee of overseers to study. Their basic conclusion was that my facts were prejudiced by a theological bias that was not held by the church. Specifically, they said that most critics of Willow Creek and the CGM were Calvinists, and that their church was primarily Arminian. Therefore, they simply rejected the criticism on those grounds alone.

The problem is that I never couched my argument in terms of Calvinist theology vs. Arminian theology. All I did was point them to the Bible. The Bible, I said, should be our guide, not Willow Creek. I showed them verse after verse of scripture that plainly condemned some the practices they were starting to implement through their association with Willow Creek, and I asked them for an explanation. Needless to say, not once did the overseers ever defend their Willow Creek methods with a sincere examination of Scripture. I wish they had; I would have loved to hear them.

As I wrote at the end of my Willow Creek report to the overseers:

"I stand by my conviction that God’s Word is wholly sufficient to guide His people in ALL things (2 Timothy 3:16), and until I am shown compelling Biblical evidence to the contrary, I will diligently contend for the faith and be wary of any outside worldly influence upon (our church). It is my fervent hope that the leadership of (our church) comes to the same conclusion and deems our official Willow Creek association to be wholly unnecessary and ultimately, a drawback to the proper edification of our membership."

Ultimately, my family and I left this church and were led by God to join a small congregation at Heritage Baptist Church. At Heritage, I have found a Christian fellowship founded on the sovereignty of God and the sufficiency of Scripture, and unscathed by modern philosophy and worldly wisdom. As the old hymn goes, we rest our hope on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness.

I thank God for leading me and my family out of the error of the Church Growth Movement. I pray that the testimony and documentation of my past experiences might be edifying to those who find themselves in similar circumstances. For a more detailed investigation into my experiences, please read my other reports found on this website.

April 15, 2008

The paranoid LCMS leadership

One has to wonder how former Muslims function when they have real threats over their heads every day for their apostasy from Islam.

The Purple Palace's Paranoia is a great demonstration of their being completely out of touch with reality and very sheltered here in this affluent land.

There was a peaceful protest that was organized weeks ahead of time, and you can read about it here


Please read the two posts linked from that one.  There is another paranoid commenter on one of the threads who thinks it's reasonable to be scared of the violent midwestern Lutherans.

Puts me in mind of this one:

Presbyter, just to be clear, that post is SATIRE, not a news report.

April 11, 2008

Why does Jan Markell censor her guests?

An interesting thing occurred the day Ken Silva was a guest on Jan's show (April 5, 2008 hour 1)

A couple of ladies came up to me (totally individually, these ladies do not know each other) and said they had heard the show and thought she was trying muzzle Ken at at least one point.  Yes, I think she was.  The point was where Ken mentioned Billy Graham and Christianity Today and Billy's failure to renounce humanism.

And an even  odder thing happened to the downloadable version of the show, which I linked to above.  I am not sure if the rebroadcast was the same as the downloaded version or the original (the former is my guess).  That segment where she tried to silence him has disappeared.  (it would have been between 38:50 and 38:59 on the podcast linked to above).  When Ken comes back in with "my point is" -- that is immediately after the edit).

Is Jan now censoring even the guests she AGREES with because she fears offending certain segments of her audience?  Does she not care about offending the guests with which she has fellowship and agreement?  Or the audience members who believe her when she says they speak the truth without compromise?  Makes you wonder how much else was conveniently snipped out.  Oddly enough, she did leave in the part where Ken suggested Mother Teresa wasn't a Christian.  I would think that would warrant editing too if she is worried about getting flak.

I seem to remember her objecting quite loudly to TBN's 'censorship' of Hal Lindsey when they cancelled his show.  I agree it was wrong of TBN to object to Hal speaking the truth about radical Islam because of the fear of offending some people.  But there seems to be a LOT worse to object to on TBN than their termination of Hal's show, which is only a symptom of a deeper issue there.  I also seem to remember she didn't criticize but rather made nice comments about TBN overall (I saved the show for posterity because I was so shocked, and figured it might come in handy, and for which disappointment in her we were threatened by her for namelessly mentioning on this blog).  It was only after she tried to escalate the argument that I came out and named her.

I think Jan needs a lot of prayer for freedom from this fear of man.  If she's not careful she'll end up doing that show all alone.  People she interviews aren't going to want to be censored like that, once they find out she does it.  And she ought not to promote herself as being on that 'steep cutting edge' and 'speaking the truth' and other such exaggerations, unless she is willing to bear the reproach of Christ/the Truth without flinching.

April 10, 2008

Steve Gregg and James White (UPDATED)

I have to admit that I haven't gotten to part 4 of the James White/Steve Gregg debate to know what THIS is all about... but I am still waiting for Steve to tell us where that spiritual life comes from which makes people believe.  He always starts from the point where they already believe in God.  This is like arguing with an evolutionist who simply won't address how life comes from non-life in the absence of the working of a Sovereign Creator.  I just sat there shaking my head and wondering when he was going to answer the main question.... mainly, from WHOM does all life, both spiritual and physical, arise?  He seemed to cleverly dance around the issue completely. Either it arises from God, or it arises from some sort of spiritual "spontaneous generation."

I can imagine after 4 days of this (and having heard him already take a potshot at White, with his 'this is the typical avoidance of the issues' claim toward White, which was completely baseless in the first place...in fact it is most obviously an demonstration of psychological projection!) I can imagine White would be a little frustrated and disappointed. Still, I have a hard time believing that White would do anything in this kind of format which should be apologized for.  I'll check back in after I hear the 'offending' segment.  Considering the fact that Gregg seems particularly disposed to imagine things that aren't there in Scripture, I'm skeptical.

Just listening to the segment which Gregg was all worried about, about 2/3 through the AOMIN podcast.  I can absolutely see why James was annoyed.  He had EVERY RIGHT to be annoyed at Steve's begging the question and trying to paint him in the corner with fallacious reasoning.  James as usual, asked only pertinent questions and attempted to address the issues while being talked over by Gregg.


A friend sent me this with an endorsement. "Really good video." Seems like the comments share her point of view. I submitted a comment too but it did not get published. Go figure.


Here is what I wrote back to her and my sisters who were cc'd on the email, along with some other friends.

Sounds pretty man-centered to me. This is what we fought against with Rick Warren and Purpose Driven. It's not about me, (even though Rick Warren says that, his entire book is "about me."). When he looks at me, he sees Christ's righteousness, and that is what he loves.

You can only love God as much as you love yourself


That is completely New Age and sadly not surprising to hear in many churches these days.

It is also his nature to hate sin... I agree there is nothing we can do to make him love us more or less. But that originates completely in him, not because of any intrinsic worth in myself.

truth about how God sees you and His outrageous love for you.

Even if you have no plans to walk with him? I seem to recall that the Bible says that God hates all those who do iniquity. Psalm 5 for example
4 You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil;
with you the wicked cannot dwell.

5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence;
you hate all who do wrong.

6 You destroy those who tell lies;
bloodthirsty and deceitful men
the LORD abhors.

7 But I, by your great mercy,
will come into your house;
in reverence will I bow down
toward your holy temple.

But because of His great love and mercy, wishing to demonstrate that, he draws some to believe and be justified by Christ's sacrifice, through faith in that sacrifice.


April 7, 2008

Zion Lutheran Wayside WI 40 Days campaign

Another one of Kieschnick's darlings -- is the LCMS going to sit by while the semi-pelagian Purpose Driven/40 Days of Purpose/Community etc gets promoted in the Synod?

Zion Lutheran, an LCMS church in Wayside WI -- is proudly announcing that they are doing 40 days of Community beginning on Sunday. (April 6 I would assume, since the publication date is April 5).

Zion Lutheran begins 40 days campaign Sunday

April 4, 2008

LCMS forbids public correction of the Synod!

Way back in 2006, this blogger reported on the Ohio Convention:

"What is the message you are hearing from the church?" One person, to show how we should not be so mean spirited, said "too much emphasis on doctrines not instituted by Jesus." Another woman said "too much politics." I am sure these comments were shown to us in order to make a not-so-subtle point. It's the same point that was made when we passed a resolution declining to correct the theology of Ablaze.
A little later he mentioned that we have been distracted by misrepresentation of facts. This general accusation of false witness was not supported or epounded upon, just thrown up in the air.
Sounding a bit like his accusation against Mollie Hemingway

He cited examples of the great things we can do when we are united, and cited several examples of giving money. So we can be united in cash flow, but not doctrine or practice.

"Do you see women pastors in the future?" No...BUT...Synod is helping congregations rewrite their constitutions to allow for women to be elders, presidents, etc.

At this point he made a very clear cautionary statement: "You are NOT free to preach or teach publicly that Synod is wrong on ANY given issue." He wanted us to be sure we understand that, so he repeated it. Slowly. No one may publicly preach or teach that Synod is wrong any any issue, ever. Well....I am publicly teaching you right here and now that Synod is very wrong on that idea. :-) I'm not a member of Synod though, so...oh well. You pastors reading this may want to make a note of that comment tho.

I hereby publicly call upon LCMS pastors everywhere to throw off this yoke of bondage, this gag order, and remember that the LCMS is  a Congregational structure, you cannot submit to a form of socerdodalsim.  NO BROTHER/SHEPHERD OF THE FLOCK IS TO LORD IT OVER YOU! Do not submit yourselves again to a yoke of slavery. Speak the truth, though it bring division. Those who will hear the truth will be united by it.

Like Billy Graham, he gives with the right hand and takes away with the left. Hopefully he doesn't know what he is talking about, because if he does, he is willfully being deceptive. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think he does know what he is doing, and I'm far beyond giving these people the benefit of the doubt. They have just as much access to the Scriptures and truth as we do in this land, and they refuse to seek it out or believe it when they are told. I am left to conclude nothing else than that there are tares being promoted in the church. Or , if you want to go down the benefit of the doubt road, then very immature brethren, who we are warned against giving positions of leadership for this very reason.

KFUO, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, FAILING GRADE by Ministrywatch.org


How very interesting.  KFUO is right up there with a bunch of TBN ministries for financial stewardship.  GO figure.

April 3, 2008

David Strand sends out another form letter

Still not buying it. I think they figure if they put "respectfully" and "we really care about your opinion" in the letter that will take away the wrong they've done and the offense to Todd's and Jeff's families, and the Word of God itself.  Likewise, "prayerfully."  One of the phrases that's thrown around at our ex-church was "we BATHED this is prayer."  OH well that makes it OK then!
Dear Friend in Christ:

I want to sincerely thank you for your e-mail message regarding the discontinuation of the “Issues, Etc.” program on KFUO-AM Radio. It is good that you are interested in the programming choices of the station. Please know that your comments have been heard and taken to heart.

Some people receiving this message have written before in some fashion on this topic and, sometime ago, received a different response. Others are receiving this message in response to original queries or comments they raised.

In any event, whether you have written one or two or more times, and no matter which “Issues”-related point or points you may have raised, the best and most comprehensive response I can offer at this time is to refer you to a statement on the Synod’s website.

If you haven’t already read this statement, I respectfully invite you to go to www.lcms.org and click on the link called “An updated statement on ‘Issues, Etc.’ ”

I invite you also to listen to “The Afternoon Show” on KFUO-AM, weekdays from 3:00 to 6:00 p.m. Now and into the future, it will be the constant endeavor of KFUO-AM management to offer the best in Gospel-based programming throughout the day—programming that reaches out to Lutherans, other Christians, and the unchurched, and all within a budget we can hope to sustain.

Please continue to keep the radio ministry of the Synod in your prayers. Please also prayerfully consider what you might do, if so inclined, to support this important work.

Thank you.

Sincerely in Christ,

David L. Strand
Executive Director
Board for Communication Services

April 2, 2008

Yoga in Public School (continued)

Well my mother had asked what Jason thought.   So I sent an email to my sister with Jason's reaction:
Mom asked what Jason thought. She seems to ask that every time I do something she doesn't understand...
here is what Jason said:
Ye gads.
She's wrong. Both about the yoga and about what she said to you.
I'll call in a bit. Had to get a temp laptop, so I'm d/l-ing files to allow reinstalls.
Sister responded in first email:

Correction since we are in tattle mode: Mom said this part and that she has told you that in the past also

"you're just like your dad, he was as bad as those bloody apostolics, everything was a sin!"

I said some version of the first part but also wondered why you get a christmas tree every year since it has it's roots it paganism. If you are going to be legalistic about everything you need to look at your own house first Paula.

Don't include me on all this stuff in the future. I don't have an appreciation for it.
Second email:
And DON"T forget about Halloween.

My response:
Don't worry, that's why I'm not like dad. I realize all three of you just humored him to get along. I wanted a deeper relationship of real understanding. So I actually listened, challenged, and sifted through things, rather than just blowing him off. Yeah he was a pain and he wasn't right all the time, and he suffered with great guilt over his past sins. He was human. But you know by the fact that he WARNED us constantly, that he loved us. And in return it made us often despise him and reject his love and instruction. Great payback, and we're still giving it to him beyond the grave. Very nice way to honor our parents don'tcha think?

If you have a problem with my Christmas tree and the kids going out for halloween (btw many churches now have a reformation day party as an alternative) I can certainly explain that, and you have ALWAYS been welcome to challenge my beliefs. It only does me good to have to go to Scripture and figure out if what I am doing or believing is wrong.

I can't imagine you would think it is good for a school to teach kids how to have a seance, nor would you have a problem with me objecting to it,.. even if they just called it a seance and just made the kids sit around in a circle with a candle or something. Take the religious part out of it, why don't we?

"Wisdom is proven right by her children." Luke 7:35
Deut 11:18 "You shall therefore impress these words of mine on your heart and on your soul; and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. "You shall teach them to your sons, talking of them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road and when you lie down and when you rise up. "You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates, so that your days and the days of your sons may be multiplied on the land which the LORD swore to your fathers to give them, as long as the heavens remain above the earth."

Matthew 10:34 ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;and A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD."He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me."

Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or farms, for My sake and for the gospel's sake,but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life." Mark 10:29-30
second email:

BTW yes mom did say those things. She did not say what you said, at all. Just that I had written a letter about yoga, Jason had asked me whether I had any idea what your reaction was and I said no, not by what mom said. I wasn't really even expecting you to tell her. I probably was going to on the phone whenever I called next. So exactly who was in tattle tale mode? [Daughter] was the one who brought up the subject in the first place. I could have blown off her concern I suppose.

You're like a person with 20/200 vision getting mad at me because I can see individual leaves on trees where you can't. But if you aren't interested in spiritual things (which I guess since you go to a church in a denomination that is happy to allow gay pastors -- which means that Jesus was kicked out AGES ago and why Dad left it when he did) I guess that proves who you are listening to. Those who love the Lord will thirst for him, and him alone, and those who don't --- won't.

Maranatha may be small but at least they still preach the truth, and the AFLC isn't entirely down the tubes yet. (although that is coming if they do not stand up against church growth philosophy).

I do think about Halloween and Christmas. We don't do scary/death themes. We have in the past taped bible verses to the candy we hand out and we should do that every year. We also don't do santa claus.

Whether we commemorate historical events is left as a matter of conscience/preference in Scripture. But you are absolutely right. Since Paganism is experiencing a resurgence, it might be a good idea to quit the halloween thing and instead celebrate Reformation day.

Speaking in tongues also has its roots in paganism (at least as how it's practiced today in the charismatic church) and that is far more dangerous than a Christmas tree or going around getting candy from neighbors, dressed like something else, because it is a mind-altering technique, just like eastern meditation.

April 1, 2008

Yoga in Public School

My daughter said they were instructed in yoga technique in PE the other day.

So I sent this off to the principal of their school:

[daughter] has informed us that they are doing yoga in PE class. You might find it interesting to know that yoga is not just stretching, this is an eastern religious prayer ritual, and I wasn't aware that the rules about teaching religion in Public School had changed...

I'm all for it as long as they're willing to teach something like Intelligent Design too, or even Creation Science (considering they show evolution specific videos in physical science class which has nothing to do with physical sience).

just so you know... [daughter] herself is irritated by the practice because she wishes to remain faithful to Christ as opposed to experimenting with other religions.


"What is yoga?"

I also sent an email to my sisters about what I sent.

A few hours later my MOM calls...

"[your sister] said you sent some email about yoga" "What's the difference?" "can't you do it without the religion part?" "you're just like your dad, he was as bad as those bloody apostolics, everything was a sin!" "What does Jason think about this?"

She seems to ask that last question any time I object to something and she finds it odd... apparently my husband holds more credibility with my family than I do. *sigh*

Love ya mom!