Rick Warren:AIDS too big for church alone
and in the article:
Warren says the problem of AIDS, with an estimated 33 million infected with HIV, is too big for the church alone,
And then look at this page:
There is no organization or government that can effectively eradicate these giants. The only successful solution is the global Church of Jesus Christ.
Here's a screen shot in case they suddenly are alerted that they forgot to change Animal Farm's Commandments to reflect what Old Major is saying this week:
and another page:
How do we go to all nations?
The P.E.A.C.E. Plan identifies the Five Global Giants and provides a strategy for their solution through the work of God’s instrument here on earth – the church.
These five global giants ravage the lives of billions of people worldwide and all work together to constrain them and cut them off from knowing the saving grace of a loving God who sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for their sins allowing them eternal hope and security. There is no organization or government that can effectively eradicate these giants. The only successful solution is the global Church of Jesus Christ.
Now, I'll tell you my bias. I believe these problems are so big that only the church is big enough to handle it – the millions and millions and millions and millions of local churches that are spread around.and at the Live8 concert "More Than 300 Local Pastors Participate In Training, Worship Rally and Prayer Breakfast Around Event"
We have to help Africans help themselves and create value out of available resources. I believe the best way to do that is through the church."
Prior to the concert, Warren joined One organizers in a rally on the steps behind the Philadelphia Art Museum to encourage young volunteers.
"Because you are involved in the One Campaign, you are interested in change," he said. "If you are serious about change, you need to do two things. First, focus on vision, not need; call out the greatness in people, not their guilt. Secondly, don't tell it like it is, but rather like it could be, should be, and may be.
"We don't want people to die of poverty or diseases for which we already have cures, because God loves them." Warren continued. I believe with all my heart we can do this - and I believe you are the generation to do it." 'Pastor Warren was joined on the platform by Pastor Herb Lusk, with whom he is partnering on the Purpose Driven "Stand for Africa" campaign.
and Brian Burkett provides a fawning summary of Rick saying the same thing at an August '05 Willow Creek Leadership Summit:
He then spoke of 5 global giants in our world today that he believes the church must respond to:
...He then went on to say that only one thing is big enough to solve it: The millions of local churches, to which I say a hearty AMEN! He said it’s time for the church to start being the CHURCH!
Brian also says toward the beginning of the post:
Bill Hybels and Rick Warren are not wolves in sheep’s clothing, the devil, the anti-Christ, or anything else they have been accused of by so many people. Do I agree with them on everything? Nope… but I have also found myself disagreeing with previous versions of myself from time to time… if that makes sense.
Ah... yeah Brian... whatever you say. Maybe it'll be different tomorrow I guess.
Facing the world's five evil giants!The Orange County Register reports, in a story on Warren entitled:
By Rick and Kay Warren
The world is full of problems. Some are small and some are huge. As Kay and I considered the problems facing the world today, we concluded there are five giants -- five pervasive problems that affect billions of people.
These are the ones we want to tackle, believing God gets the most glory when we attack the biggest giants. These problems are so huge that they can only be addressed with total dependence on God and with all of us -- your congregation and mine, Christians all around the world -- working together to confront them.
Pastor lays out a global vision Sunday April 17, 2005
Q: How will the work be funded?Hmm then suddenly this year Warren starts saying what he said in the WND article. See another church's report on Warren's PEACE plan - now it's not the ONLY force capable of changing the world anymore, from the Loveland, CO, Reporter-Herald.
A: These are problems so big that no government can solve them. The only thing big enough are millions and millions of local churches of every kind.
Warren teaches that the church is the most powerful instrument to change the world, Slayback explained.
“It’s the means through which we can help the poor and care for the sick,” he said.
“It’s an effective way to change the world.”
But along with that, he added, comes a partnership with community members.
To be successful in planting a church and transforming a community, Slayback said, there must be a partnership with the powerful people in the community.
also I find this semi-pelagian comment quite revealing:
"As a pastor, my job is to change behavior," Warren emphasized.
Once again taking on the role of the Holy Spirit. There is SO much in this story to take issue with, from saying it's OK to distrubute condoms to the adulterers Proverbs warns every man about...to the comment about being able to work with Catholics... (yeah but can Catholics work with YOU? I'm not even Catholic and I know that consistent Catholics won't buy your line Rick Warren...)
I mean, really! This guy thinks we're all as easily duped as his koolaid drinkers.
Here is a good review of the PEACE plan I haven't read before, by a name I don't recognise:
All of this sounds very inspiring and is having a huge impact on evangelical Christians. However the idea that the church can change the leadership of the world system and eradicate poverty, disease and ignorance does not square up with the Word of God nor with the reality of what is happening in the world today. Jesus said there are going to be famines, earthquakes, pestilences and disasters hitting the earth with increasing frequency in the last days and widespread persecution of Christians, in fact the complete opposite of what Rick Warren is saying.Thank you for some sanity, Tony!
This is not to say that Christians should not be involved in giving relief to those in need in the world. But the idea that the church can be mobilised to bring a new leadership to the world which will eradicate poverty and social ills is another restatement of the dominion teaching which has blinded Christians to the truth of the prophetic word over the past thirty years and sent them down the path to disappointment. Dreams of transforming society and endless prophecies of imminent revival always turn to dust and ashes in the face of social reality. More and more people turn to yoga, Tai Chi and other alternative spiritualities based on Hinduism and eastern religions, Islam becomes more and more assertive, and apostate Church leaders continue to deny the fundamentals of the faith to the applause of the media which for the most part shows hatred and disdain for the Lord Jesus Christ. Meanwhile crime, violence, terrorism, breakdown of family life and sexual immorality continue to increase at alarming rates across the world, making life almost unbearable for millions.
There is not a shred of evidence either in the Bible or in world events around us that a billion man evangelical Christian army will lead the world out of darkness into the light of Rick Warren’s ‘New Reformation.’